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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 3 1947 here on the airport

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with has announced that a flying death

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has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army the game is

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rigged changed the game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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his way

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer radio network

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you have to get to the

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game change in

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network

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good evening fade to black

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the spoke radio por la masses mad how

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you doing

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today's Tuesday July 30th 2019

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210 days into the new year just 155 days

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left we're live from a bunker somewhere

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in the middle of beautiful downtown

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Burbank Californian I would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world all across the United States

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer Network and Katie are a the

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planets in Bureau Jimmy Church what is

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cracking everybody how you doin how you

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doing okay it's like this

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so what we're gonna do tonight I am

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going to do a presentation that's right

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I'm gonna do a presentation later on

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tonight John Greenwald is gonna be

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joining us and we've got a little delay

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in the action with John and so I'm gonna

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take over the show tonight

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I'm also gonna open up the phones John's

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gonna join us a little bit later okay

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instead of at the bottom of the hour and

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uh and no big conspiracy here it's not

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about that

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he's not where he needs to be right now

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okay so we've been communicating all day

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trying to get this figured out but it

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allows me the opportunity to speak and I

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don't do that too often I don't I don't

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I don't speak that often we got you know

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do an AMA once in a while which we

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should be doing again soon we've got to

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get another AMA and love doing that but

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I don't I don't get a chance to just you

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know I I I do my thing for ten minutes

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each night 15 minutes and I rant about

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something and but you know I run the

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headlines and and go through a couple of

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emails and and Twitter and things like

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that but I I don't get a chance to speak

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that often because quite honestly my

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opinion doesn't matter we bring out a

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guest on the show and it's about the

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guest right Fator night it's about you

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guys you know you ask me questions but I

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don't I don't go full-on all right well

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I'm gonna do that tonight

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last night Don Schmidt mentioned a few

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times how the UFO community is used to

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spread this info by the Air Force the

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CIA and the Department of Defense and

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we've been used to this and of course

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William Bill Moore which I've talked

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about many times over the years and is

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it possible is it possible that the

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claims of Richard Doty on the

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very show that there are currently two

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simple agents on the UFO lecture circuit

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Dodi but I did this before to his why

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he's just kind of got a kind of got a

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look at everybody and listen to the

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conversation and how they're dealing

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with things and how people talk to me

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and you got to watch this person got

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away it seems like there's something

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going on you just got to be aware right

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I can assure you of this I'm not on

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anybody's payroll I don't take

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suggestions from people guest questions

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things to investigate things to talk

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about I don't do any of that we do our

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own thing here but is it possible is it

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possible that maybe the CIA in

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Washington DC have an interest in

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spreading and controlling the UFO

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information that is all over the place

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these days well of course they do they

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did it in the past they're doing it now

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and they will do it in the future it's

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always been this way there's reasons for

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that you know talking about this subject

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nearly every single night on the show it

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has to be done and this community which

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is acclimated to the situation at hand

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for sure but we can't get complacent we

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can't get comfortable we can't let our

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guard down and I have said many many

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many many times that there is some type

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of controlled rollout that is going on

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right now and although it's fun it's

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cool to see you know pick up my phone

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and go to CNN or go to Fox or RT or BBC

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or NBC whatever it gets just go out

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there's a new fresh UFO story there

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there's a new fresh EXO

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and discovery there's more search for

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alien life you know and it's it's every

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single day there's not a day that

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doesn't pass now and it was never like

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that before and it never was today

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it's everywhere so we have to ask why

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what is going on in who was doing it

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that's where we can't get comfortable

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because we all want disclosure we all do

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we all want it in our own way whatever

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disclosure is we want it and I get that

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and I understand it but enjoying the

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moment and letting our guard down that's

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what the man wants they want to control

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the information they want to control

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which you are ingesting right and how it

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gets exposed and how it not only gets

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out there but spreads who is spreading

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it and how it's being done

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there are people that are trusted inside

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of this community are they tools do they

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even know that they are tools or worse

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yet are there researchers and authors

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and show hosts out there that quite

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frankly have ego that come into play and

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they're fighting for fame and they want

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their name out there and they don't care

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how it happens all right and they just

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move their way through the UFO community

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and and trying to make a name for

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themselves where they know that this is

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something that they shouldn't be close

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to but they ignore it

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yeah well I'm gonna be talking about all

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of this tonight and it's it's an

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uncomfortable thing to hear but we need

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to hear it and the things that I'm gonna

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present tonight are gonna be a little

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bit dark at times so stay right there

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I'm going to do all of this when I come

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back after the break at the top of the

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hour we'll have John Greenwald of the

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black vault

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joining us it's going to be a very busy

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night on the show I am your host Jimmy

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Church and I'll be right back after this

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short break this is fade to black I'm

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the game changer network and kg RA the

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planet I'll be right back

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all right welcome back

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fade to black I'm you'll see me Church

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top of the hour John Greenwald will be

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now I'm gonna get straight to it because

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it's like this I'm more than a little

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nervous I've sent out my subtle and

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sometimes not so subtle warnings over

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the last year about the message and

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information flooding out through the

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mainstream media when it comes to the

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UFO question and my main message has

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always been to remain calm

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keep your radar up on high and don't

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jump in too quickly when it comes to the

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to the Stars Academy or T TSA the signs

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were always there it's too much it's too

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quick and it's full of holes

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now I'm not being harsh on T TSA I just

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want you to listen and open your eyes

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and ears you see the members of our

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community and this host are just too

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smart we've all been through this before

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many times so for most of us we are in a

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wait-and-see mode before we embrace T

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TSA in their mission but for those

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outside of our community who don't have

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any experience with disinfo agents

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misdirection and bad actors from the CIA

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or the Department of Defense CT TSA as a

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Tom DeLonge UFO project guided by Tom

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run by Tom after all a UFO company run

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by the blink-182 fart men has got to be

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cool and legit right you know it's like

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go Tom and I get it

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you do too those outsiders lacking

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experience with the UFO question who

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might look under the tts a hood and see

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the CIA and DOD counterintelligence

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connections well think that Tom's got

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the people in the know right working for

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him

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staffed with the best most professional

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agents and spies that you could put

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together in fact they don't care because

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it looks legit it sounds legit it must

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be legit after all it's Tom DeLonge from

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blink 182 he's a

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Punk he's a rebel he doesn't trust the

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he's anti everything so he must know

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what he's doing right well in the punk

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world not trusting the man is your

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street cred

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at right let alone being seen with

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someone from the other side you don't do

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that in the punk world seriously it's a

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very big deal and it's a big deal to Tom

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and I understand this this also makes

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Tom the perfect guy for the man to

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embrace the CIA and DOD have been

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waiting for the right person for a very

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long time and quite frankly he was a

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gift there is no doubt that Tom DeLonge

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is serious about UFOs oh he has talent

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he has he's a real artist and with that

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comes passion and when you have the

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success that he has had it means that

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truckloads of money come along for the

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ride

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anything that you want to do well you

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just do it you can do anything well this

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is where the CIA in counterintelligence

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professionals come in there is one thing

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that they are all taught from the word

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go when you have someone that you need

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on your side you stroke them it's their

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first priority their first priority is

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to make you feel special that it's all

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about you you are the best you are

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respected you are the only one and

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that's how they got to Tom and I get

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that I've heard him say it and so have

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you in our interview on fade to black he

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stressed this many times and I

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understand it but Tom isn't the only one

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by the way he's not and I can assure you

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that there are those over at t TSA that

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have said all of those things right

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anybody out there waving the flag for

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the Academy T TSA they hear it they

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here that they are the best journalists

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that they're the best authors they're

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the best researchers that they have

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their respect and who doesn't want to

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hear that well we all do in the CIA and

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counterintelligence agents know this

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it's how they roll now I'm not going to

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disclose anything private that was

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discussed between T TSA and myself over

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the years I won't do it that's not cool

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but I will say this I have had many many

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conversations with top members of this

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community and they've all told me the

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same things when it comes to T TSA that

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T TSA loves me not me Jimmy I'm talking

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about the researchers the authors that

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they love them they respect their work

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they know that how professional they are

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and that the community listens to them

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because they know that they can trust

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them you know and I've heard this so

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many times now it's almost scripted

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word-for-word this is what scares me the

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most and it just seems it just seems

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that there is an actual CIA

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counter-intel up and running for real

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this isn't some Tom Clancy Clive Cussler

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spy novel fiction for fun this is

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reality and remember this is my opinion

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I don't have some insider at the CIA

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feeding me classified information I

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don't have someone at T TSA speaking

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off-the-record in fact I'm only using

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the facts as presented by T TSA in their

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public records their statements and

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their presentations for me it it isn't

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bending and molding things in a certain

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way to make it seem like there is

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something going on no in fact you don't

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even have to do that sort of stuff you

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don't have to use your imagination and

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go full-on conspiracy no you don't have

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to do it you just have to read it for

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you

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stars Academy is a fully staffed CIA DoD

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counter-intel company put together for

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some crazy UFO agenda listen to this

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here are nine of the twelve key staff

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for to the stars Academy they're TTS a

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job title and their work experience at

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the top of the list number one is Tom

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DeLonge chairman of the board interim

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CEO interim we'll get to that interim

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title in a minute stay right there

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number two is Jim semi van he's vice

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president of operations for TTS a vice

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president he has 25 years as operations

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officer for the CIA's Directorate of

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operations he's also a trainer for the

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CIA and it's tradecraft and countering

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weapons of mass destruction number three

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Steve justice chief operations manager

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that's right

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31 years at Lockheed skunkworks

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advanced systems concept design

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breakthrough tech development and you

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know he's got security clearances and

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oaths dr. hal put off vice president of

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science and tech 40 tsa fifty years at

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General Electric and as a the National

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Security Agency and worked for the CIA

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while he was at the Stanford Research

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Institute then there's number five Louis

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Elizondo his job title is director of

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global security that's right that's his

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job title at TTS a his experience career

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intelligence officer US Army Department

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of Defense National counterintelligence

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executive the office of Director of

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National Intelligence and allegedly

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program element manager for a tip

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whatever that means

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thought he was a director more on that

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in just a bit

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then there's Chris Mellon national

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security adviser deputy assistant

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secretary of defense for intelligence

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and the Clinton and Bush

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administration's and yes Mellon of the

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Mellon banking family number seven see

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Chris Herndon United States government

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and Department of Defense tech

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coordination that's his job title 40 TSA

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of course he was director of White House

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information technology for president

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Trump number 8 dr. norm Kahn his job

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title at T TSA is national security 30

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years at the CIA and a recipient of the

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CIA's distinguished career intelligence

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medal number 9 dr. Paul rap his job

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title 40 TSA brain function consultant

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think about that what does he have under

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his belt well he's got a CIA certificate

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of commendation now there are so many

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takeaways from this list and it's facts

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but the first thing that stands out for

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me is DeLong's interim CEO title you

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need to think about this for a second

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because if he is replaced as CEO by say

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Jim Sam even that would make to the

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Stars Academy a full-on CIA operation

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DeLong is the only real civilian on this

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list and he's the odd man out who would

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the board replace him with now it's

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pretty safe to say that it won't go with

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another singer or musician from a

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supergroup I don't think so but Dave

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Grohl would be cool you know Foo

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Fighters he's got loads of loads of

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street cred anyway

391
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it'll be a another lifelong career

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intelligence officer that will take over

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as CEO someone with the security

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clearance an oath and deep dark

395
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connections that's a guarantee the next

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thing that really stands out on on this

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list is all of the national security job

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titles and experience and you have to

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ask yourself why well what's the deal

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this is a you a folk company right one

401
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thing is for sure it fits the message of

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threat that has been all over the media

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and History Channel with the series

404
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unidentified it's been all over the

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mainstream media threat threat threat

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naval pilots write briefings for the

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Senate the president threat it's a

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threat there are a threat that's why

409
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honestly it's the only word and view

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that these types of career agents

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understand everything is a threat to

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them it's how they roll the third thing

413
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that stands out is the lack of research

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partners that's right research talent

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it's all defense it's all military it's

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spies and that appears to be the focus

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well not appears that's wrong it is the

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focus now during the livestream back in

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October of 2017 for the launch of to the

420
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Stars Academy at that time it was all

421
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about using your investment dollars from

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stock purchases that this amazing alien

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technology was going to be developed for

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us for everyone around the world right

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any gravity airliners right wrong it's

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been two years and the only things

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developed by to the Stars Academy were a

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TV series a couple of bucks

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and nice fat salaries and of course lots

430
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and lots of stock and stock options for

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the crew there it to the stars how much

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of the investor cash has been used for

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marketing for public relations

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promotions versus actual development of

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well anything what is that ratio what is

436
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that ratio of the stock money that came

437
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:55,080
in that just went to salaries right that

438
00:23:59,810 --> 00:23:57,810
went to marketing and publicity for

439
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their own benefit not for the benefit of

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00:24:06,130 --> 00:24:03,480
us but for them as individuals you know

441
00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:06,140
you throw in the salaries and that ratio

442
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shrinks down to almost nothing I'm gonna

443
00:24:16,790 --> 00:24:13,800
be very interested in the with the next

444
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financial disclosure filings at the end

445
00:24:24,650 --> 00:24:18,690
of the year for to the stars it's going

446
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to be very very telling I don't know how

447
00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:28,130
to look at all of this right now I don't

448
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:31,580
who's gonna replace Tom DeLonge as CEO

449
00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:37,860
who's gonna replace Tom when we talk

450
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:43,860
about a CIA fronted company right

451
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,200
because that's the case and if they

452
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bring in somebody and they're probably

453
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:50,760
listening to me right now and they're

454
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good you know what church is right man

455
00:25:01,460 --> 00:24:56,330
let's take some notes here our next CEO

456
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cannot be CIA it's gonna be too obvious

457
00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:03,630
so we're gonna have to bring in somebody

458
00:25:09,380 --> 00:25:06,390
that is not you know Defense

459
00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:09,390
Intelligence Agency can't be NSA can't

460
00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:13,320
be CIA can't be DoD can't be m.i.a

461
00:25:21,530 --> 00:25:17,880
can't be any of that stuff can't can't

462
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because then it's obvious if that

463
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:26,540
happens it's a full-on CIA corporation

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as its own television show who will be

465
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added to the staff at TTS eh that's the

466
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:40,530
other question will it be more of the

467
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same right people and talent with close

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ties to the Department of Defense to

469
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Washington DC and the CIA is that what

470
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is next is that how it's going to

471
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continue to be compiled because that's

472
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what it is now this is where it gets

473
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even stranger because this is a full-on

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disinfo campaign and it is wholly

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controlled by the Department of Defense

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in the CIA holy-holy controlled it's

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those journalists those researchers

478
00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:20,130
those authors and show hosts that have

479
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cozied up to TTS a right they are the

480
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ones that have the most to lose how will

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they be able to face the nation when the

482
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reality hits the fan that they've

483
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represented the CIA written for the CIA

484
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a CIA front outfit like the United Fruit

485
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Company from 1964 do you dig it do you

486
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understand what I'm saying those out

487
00:26:59,780 --> 00:26:57,960
there that that have and I'm not going

488
00:27:03,530 --> 00:26:59,790
to do there's no sense in mentioning

489
00:27:07,580 --> 00:27:03,540
names or going down that road if this is

490
00:27:14,180 --> 00:27:07,590
my warning to all of them you need to be

491
00:27:17,420 --> 00:27:14,190
careful here eventually it's it will get

492
00:27:19,790 --> 00:27:17,430
exposed for what it is and you're gonna

493
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:19,800
have to turn around and face your

494
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:22,110
friends in the UFO community your

495
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:25,370
audience in the UFO community and go wow

496
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I wholly supported and got paid by and

497
00:27:38,420 --> 00:27:35,460
have stock in a CIA front company that

498
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:38,430
was controlling disinformation out to

499
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:41,730
the world on the UFO agenda because

500
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that's

501
00:27:48,130 --> 00:27:46,040
it appears to be it doesn't appear to be

502
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anything else but that and I keep saying

503
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the word appear I am basing it on fact

504
00:27:59,950 --> 00:27:54,950
I'm not I'm not I'm not just going down

505
00:28:03,640 --> 00:27:59,960
some conspiracy rabbit hole here they

506
00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:03,650
are going to have to face that you need

507
00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:06,830
to back up and just and and and it look

508
00:28:13,210 --> 00:28:09,740
this is the other thing I'm gonna go

509
00:28:15,790 --> 00:28:13,220
back to this list in just a second need

510
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:15,800
to go back and realize something that

511
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:21,170
the promises of of money of stock in the

512
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company and the growth right we're gonna

513
00:28:29,170 --> 00:28:26,960
give you 50,000 shares we're gonna give

514
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:29,180
you 20,000 shares we're gonna give you a

515
00:28:33,940 --> 00:28:31,490
hundred thousand million shares a

516
00:28:36,460 --> 00:28:33,950
million shares you know and those shares

517
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,470
are worth 10 cents each right now but

518
00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:38,960
what if they go up to $1 what if they go

519
00:28:46,750 --> 00:28:42,950
to $2 what if they go to $10 and that's

520
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:46,760
the appeal to to somebody out there that

521
00:28:54,910 --> 00:28:50,810
has been in this community or government

522
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:54,920
employee making $50,000 a year $60,000 a

523
00:29:01,360 --> 00:28:58,250
year and suddenly you know you're

524
00:29:03,310 --> 00:29:01,370
retired and you're sitting on you know a

525
00:29:07,890 --> 00:29:03,320
half a million shares of stock and a

526
00:29:11,140 --> 00:29:07,900
company that is going to double triple

527
00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:11,150
which is nothing it's nothing to go from

528
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:15,950
10 cents to 50 cents but if you think

529
00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:17,570
about it 50 cents a share

530
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:20,350
$1 a share but you're sitting on

531
00:29:27,220 --> 00:29:23,690
something that had an initial value of

532
00:29:29,010 --> 00:29:27,230
nothing at the stock offering and then

533
00:29:33,070 --> 00:29:29,020
you've got stock options in the future

534
00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:33,080
that to somebody is a way to come in and

535
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:36,160
go yeah I'll be a part of this action

536
00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:38,930
because they're already in the in in the

537
00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:40,580
circle they're in the group they come

538
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:42,710
from counterintelligence they come from

539
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:44,690
the CIA they come from the Department of

540
00:29:49,390 --> 00:29:47,330
Defense with with those government

541
00:29:52,780 --> 00:29:49,400
salaries and suddenly they're in the

542
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:52,790
private sector getting offered you know

543
00:29:56,620 --> 00:29:55,610
this kind of incentive and bonuses money

544
00:30:00,490 --> 00:29:56,630
they've never

545
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:00,500
before except for Chris melon and that's

546
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another point right now for those out

547
00:30:13,030 --> 00:30:08,570
there that are going to say Jimmy you're

548
00:30:15,250 --> 00:30:13,040
being critical on TTS I am NOT in a

549
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couple of years a couple of years go by

550
00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:18,650
and they actually turn out to be who

551
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,510
they are trying to say that they are

552
00:30:26,380 --> 00:30:23,360
which is our friends and they're they're

553
00:30:31,060 --> 00:30:26,390
moving the UFO agenda forward I have not

554
00:30:33,580 --> 00:30:31,070
heard anybody say anybody from TTS a

555
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:33,590
that UFOs are real and they have the

556
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proof and they are part of the

557
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government and they're bringing this

558
00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:40,040
information forward no no that has not

559
00:30:46,510 --> 00:30:43,460
happened they're controlling the

560
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:46,520
information they're controlling the

561
00:30:50,620 --> 00:30:48,650
minds that's what they're doing and

562
00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:50,630
they're doing it through the media

563
00:30:55,450 --> 00:30:52,660
they're doing it through social media

564
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:55,460
they're doing it through television and

565
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:57,650
programming they've got a couple of

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documentaries allegedly in production

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00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:03,620
and nothing about alien technology or

568
00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:06,730
anything else metamaterials right

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00:31:15,070 --> 00:31:10,700
seriously now for those out there that

570
00:31:19,090 --> 00:31:15,080
are gonna go Jimmy no no those those

571
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:19,100
critics I'm wondering who is behind

572
00:31:24,130 --> 00:31:21,710
those posts and who those people are

573
00:31:27,370 --> 00:31:24,140
that are doing that trying to continue

574
00:31:29,770 --> 00:31:27,380
to control this agenda trying to control

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00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:29,780
the message that's right and and and

576
00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:32,570
every time that I see that I know that

577
00:31:40,330 --> 00:31:36,440
I'm right I know that I'm right now I

578
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:40,340
want to go over this list one more time

579
00:31:55,650 --> 00:31:44,650
so you understand where I am coming from

580
00:31:58,750 --> 00:31:55,660
this is 4 this is 9 of the 12 key staff

581
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listed on the to the stars Academy

582
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:03,260
website their job titles posted by to

583
00:32:09,550 --> 00:32:06,290
the stars Academy their experience

584
00:32:12,010 --> 00:32:09,560
posted by the to the stars Academy I

585
00:32:13,870 --> 00:32:12,020
go to Wikipedia I didn't go to somebody

586
00:32:17,890 --> 00:32:13,880
else's website I didn't listen to

587
00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:17,900
somebody else this is from to the stars

588
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,030
themselves again Tom DeLonge interim CEO

589
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:26,000
he's gonna get replaced I don't know by

590
00:32:31,870 --> 00:32:27,650
whom number two

591
00:32:34,270 --> 00:32:31,880
Jim semi van 25 years as operations

592
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:34,280
officer for the CIA's Directorate of

593
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:36,170
operations he's also a trainer for the

594
00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:38,930
CIA its tradecraft and countering

595
00:32:45,370 --> 00:32:41,680
weapons of mass destruction

596
00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:45,380
number three Steve justice chief

597
00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:48,740
operations manager for TTS a 31 years at

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00:32:52,990 --> 00:32:51,020
Lockheed skunkworks advanced systems

599
00:32:55,330 --> 00:32:53,000
concept design breakthrough tech and

600
00:32:57,730 --> 00:32:55,340
development again I want to stress the

601
00:33:01,200 --> 00:32:57,740
security clearances and oaths that he is

602
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under number four dr. Hal put off

603
00:33:06,670 --> 00:33:03,710
vice-president of science and tech 40

604
00:33:10,090 --> 00:33:06,680
TSA 50 years at General Electric the

605
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:10,100
National Security Agency and worked with

606
00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:10,850
the CIA

607
00:33:17,050 --> 00:33:14,270
while he was at s RI number five Lewis

608
00:33:20,890 --> 00:33:17,060
Elizondo director of global security

609
00:33:23,950 --> 00:33:20,900
that's his job title at TTS a career

610
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:23,960
intelligence officer US Army Department

611
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:25,490
of Defense National counterintelligence

612
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:28,370
executive the office of Director of

613
00:33:35,260 --> 00:33:31,910
National Intelligence and is allegedly

614
00:33:37,630 --> 00:33:35,270
the program element manager for a tip

615
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:37,640
and again whatever that means thought he

616
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:41,570
was the director of this thing Chris

617
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:44,720
Mellon national security adviser but do

618
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:48,410
you need that for deputy assistant

619
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secretary of defense for intelligence in

620
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:52,760
both the Clinton and Bush

621
00:33:59,860 --> 00:33:56,090
administration's and once again he is a

622
00:34:03,460 --> 00:33:59,870
melon of the Mellon banking family then

623
00:34:05,470 --> 00:34:03,470
there's see Chris Herndon United States

624
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:05,480
government and Department of Defense

625
00:34:11,590 --> 00:34:08,450
tech coordination that's his job title

626
00:34:13,420 --> 00:34:11,600
40 TSA he was the director of White

627
00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:13,430
House information technology for

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00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:17,800
president Trump number 8 dr. norm Khan

629
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his job title 40 TSA once again national

630
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:23,550
security

631
00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:27,510
he spent 30 years at the CIA and was the

632
00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:30,060
recipient of the CIA's distinguished

633
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:34,820
career intelligence medal he's a spook

634
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:40,260
dr. Paul rap his job title at T TSA is

635
00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:45,090
brain function consultant he's also in

636
00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:47,429
the possession of the CI a certificate

637
00:34:54,110 --> 00:34:49,260
of commendation

638
00:34:58,460 --> 00:34:54,120
if this doesn't scare you the interim

639
00:35:01,550 --> 00:34:58,470
title the interim title of CEO for Tom

640
00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:01,560
DeLonge when he gets replaced who does

641
00:35:06,140 --> 00:35:03,900
he get replaced by and if the natural

642
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:06,150
thing to assume here that it would be

643
00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:09,930
Jim semi van and if that if that is the

644
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:14,120
move that happens we have a wholly-owned

645
00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:20,850
board of directors of the CIA make no

646
00:35:28,610 --> 00:35:25,470
mistake these are the facts and you just

647
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:28,620
need to go and and click on the team at

648
00:35:33,980 --> 00:35:31,050
to the stars Academy and read through

649
00:35:39,020 --> 00:35:33,990
that because this is word for word from

650
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:39,030
their very own website so Don Schmidt

651
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:44,970
right is Richard Doty right they are

652
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this has fade to black I am your host

653
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Jimmy Church it's gonna be a great show

654
00:35:54,980 --> 00:35:52,130
tonight when I come back after the break

655
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John Greenwald of the black vault joins

656
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us it's gonna be a great show and then

657
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I'm gonna open up the phone lines a

658
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little bit later they're ringing now

659
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:04,350
everybody be patient I'll announce when

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they're open spade to black on the game

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changer network in kg are a the planet

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email is Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio

663
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calm and you can follow me on Twitter

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right now at J Church radio I'll be

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right back stay with us

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black I

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am your host Jimmy Church did you hear

669
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everything you need to listen that's it

670
00:36:59,720 --> 00:36:57,690
keep your eyes and ears open that's all

671
00:37:01,880 --> 00:36:59,730
that I'm saying that's all that I'm

672
00:37:02,860 --> 00:37:01,890
saying and I want to welcome to the show

673
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:02,870
right now

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00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:05,400
John Greenwald of the Black fall John

675
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:07,980
good evening hey Jimmy it's good good to

676
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:09,300
be here yeah it's good to hear your

677
00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:11,850
voice good to hear your voice okay here

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00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:13,020
we go John

679
00:37:19,850 --> 00:37:17,070
now this is we're just gonna have a

680
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:19,860
little conversation tonight sure there's

681
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:23,640
a lot of stuff that's been going on and

682
00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:28,530
and you not only with the black vault

683
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:30,030
but you've got your radio show and

684
00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:31,770
you've got your contacts and your people

685
00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:35,070
out there and and you converse and you

686
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:37,830
see what is going on and I'm gonna ask

687
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:42,720
you a couple of things last night we had

688
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:46,050
Don Schmidt on the show and Donna's been

689
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:50,490
at this for a very very long time and he

690
00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:53,610
has you know he went through all the the

691
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,060
bill more stuff and and mj-12 he goes

692
00:38:02,780 --> 00:38:00,240
all the way back to Koufos and and J

693
00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:02,790
Allen Hynek and and Project Blue Book

694
00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:06,630
and he is he's seen it all and he's

695
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:08,760
still here trying to get these answers

696
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:10,710
but one of the things that he said last

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00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:14,010
night was that you know they they do

698
00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:16,530
control the information they've always

699
00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:18,840
controlled the information they've

700
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,150
gotten very very good at it

701
00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:24,000
and right now there's a huge rollout

702
00:38:30,110 --> 00:38:28,020
with the UFOs and and what is going on

703
00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:30,120
and we just have to ask ourselves why

704
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:33,480
and we have to be very very careful and

705
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:36,720
he's right about that and then going

706
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,300
back six months ago maybe a little

707
00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:42,240
longer Richard Doty called into this

708
00:38:48,110 --> 00:38:45,750
show when I called in he wasn't a guest

709
00:38:51,730 --> 00:38:48,120
he called in and one of the things that

710
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:54,230
one of the he said a lot of things one

711
00:39:00,280 --> 00:38:55,530
of the things that he said was that

712
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:00,290
there were two that he knew of two

713
00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:04,020
prominent speakers on the UFO lecture

714
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:04,830
circuit

715
00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:09,960
that were disinfo right now immediately

716
00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:12,630
so you know the alarm bells went up a

717
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,140
lot of people heard this my phone is

718
00:39:21,740 --> 00:39:19,200
ringing the next day I'm I call

719
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:21,750
everybody I call Stanton Friedman I call

720
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:25,110
Linda I call Dolan you know and I and

721
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,290
then the half a dozen other people and

722
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,000
they all said the same thing well who do

723
00:39:34,730 --> 00:39:32,160
you think it is you know it's not me

724
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:34,740
Jimmy it's not right it's not me is it

725
00:39:41,540 --> 00:39:38,310
you is it you and it kind of freaked

726
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:41,550
everybody out and that is also a form of

727
00:39:48,290 --> 00:39:45,060
disinfo right - cause everybody in the

728
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:48,300
UFO community - to look at everybody

729
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:51,330
differently and suspect in and - all of

730
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:53,820
that it's just a brilliant tactic on on

731
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:56,730
Dodi's part to suggest this and it

732
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:00,000
freaked everybody out but it takes me to

733
00:40:07,070 --> 00:40:04,260
the point where John that there is no

734
00:40:09,620 --> 00:40:07,080
question that the information is

735
00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:09,630
controlled and here we have a situation

736
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:13,500
right now with a company like T TSA that

737
00:40:20,210 --> 00:40:16,770
is wholly and fully staffed by

738
00:40:22,190 --> 00:40:20,220
counterintelligence and the CIA and you

739
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:22,200
have to ask yourself what is actually

740
00:40:29,180 --> 00:40:25,920
going on with that when you look at the

741
00:40:32,090 --> 00:40:29,190
staff at T TSA are there red flags for

742
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:32,100
you there's lots of red flags to be

743
00:40:41,150 --> 00:40:34,970
blatantly honest with you I listened to

744
00:40:43,580 --> 00:40:41,160
your overview of their upper echelon and

745
00:40:45,830 --> 00:40:43,590
the connections to the CIA and and I I

746
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:45,840
don't I I will say I don't think I

747
00:40:50,330 --> 00:40:47,490
necessarily agree with a hundred percent

748
00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:50,340
of what you were saying but there are

749
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:52,670
fascinating connections there number one

750
00:40:59,600 --> 00:40:55,380
but number two I think you're spot-on on

751
00:41:02,900 --> 00:40:59,610
how they meaning T TSA treats their

752
00:41:04,250 --> 00:41:02,910
inner circle right the people that tout

753
00:41:06,830 --> 00:41:04,260
their company

754
00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:06,840
and that's where you and I really do a

755
00:41:12,140 --> 00:41:09,720
line it sounds like because they have

756
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:12,150
sucked people in that do feel important

757
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:15,000
and I think that it would behoove those

758
00:41:21,830 --> 00:41:18,300
that are big fans of TTS a that have

759
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:21,840
kind of you really attached their names

760
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:24,330
to the story to research

761
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:25,680
counterintelligence

762
00:41:32,330 --> 00:41:29,130
and tactics that those tactics will

763
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:32,340
employ in the field and that is getting

764
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:34,440
people to trust you people being called

765
00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:36,810
out from the audience when let's say

766
00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:40,920
Lewis Elizondo is speaking make somebody

767
00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:43,950
feel special and important and so

768
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:46,830
whether it's willing or knowing or

769
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:48,930
unknowing that particular person being

770
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:52,050
called out now is not necessarily going

771
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:55,110
to start doing you know really scathing

772
00:41:58,340 --> 00:41:56,730
pieces and digging in they're gonna

773
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,350
really kind of tout the line a little

774
00:42:03,260 --> 00:41:59,760
bit mm-hmm and they're they're gonna

775
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:03,270
sing the praises now that's okay for a

776
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:05,610
PR agent but it's not for a journalist

777
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:08,460
but again that those tactics that are

778
00:42:12,980 --> 00:42:11,400
that are being implemented by T TSA

779
00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:12,990
which sounds conspiratorial but I'm

780
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:16,500
sorry it's not are very smart I'm not

781
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:18,690
gonna say it's dumb or or shady it's

782
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:20,730
just smart yeah thought while shady may

783
00:42:26,060 --> 00:42:23,310
be debatable but right it's it's it's

784
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:26,070
getting as many people as you can on

785
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,530
your side that way you don't have to

786
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:30,720
fight the battles you don't have to take

787
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:33,090
the tough questions because you'll see

788
00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:36,750
those the some are journalists others

789
00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:38,430
are what I call quote unquote

790
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:40,350
journalists you know they kind of

791
00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:42,330
pretend to be and they're out there

792
00:42:46,580 --> 00:42:44,520
they're the ones that are engaging on

793
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,590
social media and getting into Twitter

794
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:49,200
battles and firing shots at me or you or

795
00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:54,450
or whomever speaks ill against T TSA so

796
00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:56,280
that's where I say that that that kind

797
00:43:00,290 --> 00:42:58,500
of marketing aspect is very very smart

798
00:43:02,540 --> 00:43:00,300
because those people are the guns

799
00:43:06,110 --> 00:43:02,550
they're not connected to T TSA as a

800
00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:06,120
board member or somebody that is you

801
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:08,550
know wearing a t TS a name badge they

802
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:10,920
just want to be and so they're the ones

803
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:13,260
out there so again that's that part you

804
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:15,330
know what removing myself and my

805
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:17,490
personal thoughts and reservations it

806
00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:19,020
very very smart and they've succeeded

807
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:21,150
with some of these people that have been

808
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:23,010
around in the UFO field some of which

809
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:25,610
were friends of mine at one time and

810
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,680
literally I mean I've it's it's sad to

811
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:30,000
say but like people will lose

812
00:43:35,570 --> 00:43:32,220
friendships like I have lost friendships

813
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:35,580
not by my choice by people that instead

814
00:43:40,580 --> 00:43:37,980
of just agreeing to disagree or having a

815
00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:40,590
friendly conversation like you and I it

816
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:42,630
was again you and I aren't gonna agree

817
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:45,510
on 100% and we don't you know be very

818
00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:48,960
clear okay can I just throw the two of

819
00:43:59,710 --> 00:43:53,670
us under the bus a little bit yeah John

820
00:44:03,140 --> 00:43:59,720
and I talk a lot I would say that we

821
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:03,150
disagree on most of what you and I talk

822
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:07,530
about really do and that's okay

823
00:44:13,010 --> 00:44:10,260
right that that that that kind of

824
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,020
dialogue listening to the other you know

825
00:44:17,540 --> 00:44:15,119
the other side of the other opinions or

826
00:44:21,290 --> 00:44:17,550
the other research is how you move

827
00:44:24,830 --> 00:44:21,300
forward you know I always listen to you

828
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:24,840
I don't always agree yeah and but that's

829
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:27,810
the fun of it right that is that is the

830
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:30,900
amazing part of this field that we can

831
00:44:34,340 --> 00:44:32,460
have that conversation you and I could

832
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:34,350
be on the air we can have a private

833
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,570
telephone conversation we can be having

834
00:44:41,570 --> 00:44:38,640
a barbecue drinking a beer whatever and

835
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:41,580
we leave at the end friends right but

836
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:44,010
but one thing that TTS a and I and I

837
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:45,480
don't blame this for this I really

838
00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:46,890
genuinely don't think they had any

839
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,560
intention to do this part but one thing

840
00:44:54,859 --> 00:44:50,880
that they have achieved more than all

841
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:54,869
else is divide the UFO community with

842
00:45:01,420 --> 00:44:58,980
such a firm deep line in the sand that

843
00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:01,430
separates people that are out there

844
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:05,220
touting the t TSA line and people like

845
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:07,650
me who are asking questions that I feel

846
00:45:13,070 --> 00:45:09,450
are important and that should be

847
00:45:16,940 --> 00:45:13,080
addressed and that line has never been

848
00:45:18,620 --> 00:45:16,950
deeper than it is right now and and

849
00:45:21,890 --> 00:45:18,630
again I don't think that they intended

850
00:45:24,740 --> 00:45:21,900
that but it happened anyway and that is

851
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:24,750
amazing to me because they have and

852
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:26,609
that's where I again I say that it was a

853
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:29,250
very smart move to get as many people on

854
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:30,630
their side

855
00:45:35,660 --> 00:45:32,940
that would fight those battles for them

856
00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:35,670
that were removed from the company they

857
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,470
feel special they're being called out

858
00:45:42,289 --> 00:45:39,839
there I bet you that they're being fed

859
00:45:43,999 --> 00:45:42,299
insider information and I don't want to

860
00:45:46,279 --> 00:45:44,009
put any accusation out there of people

861
00:45:49,789 --> 00:45:46,289
by name but I'll bring him up Brian

862
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:49,799
bender from Politico and his story with

863
00:45:54,799 --> 00:45:52,170
the UFO guidelines and this and that who

864
00:45:57,319 --> 00:45:54,809
appeared on unidentified is a

865
00:45:59,599 --> 00:45:57,329
fascinating figure to look at from a

866
00:46:00,999 --> 00:45:59,609
major a real journalist I got nothing

867
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:01,009
against him personally or professionally

868
00:46:06,739 --> 00:46:03,690
but I bring him up because when you look

869
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:06,749
at his connection being on camera for

870
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:09,839
unidentified that was a smart move for T

871
00:46:14,479 --> 00:46:12,420
TSA I mean I don't know firsthand who

872
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:14,489
really kind of orchestrated that but

873
00:46:18,769 --> 00:46:16,529
obviously benders been involved from the

874
00:46:20,329 --> 00:46:18,779
beginning and he has been fed this

875
00:46:23,089 --> 00:46:20,339
insider quote/unquote insider

876
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,099
information to be one of the two outfits

877
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:25,200
that broke this story now fast forward

878
00:46:31,009 --> 00:46:28,410
nearly two years later he's on camera on

879
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:31,019
the television series and here's what's

880
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:33,569
interesting he is quoting the Pentagon

881
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:36,420
except when the Pentagon says something

882
00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:38,819
bad about against T TSA and I'm sure

883
00:46:43,489 --> 00:46:40,349
we'll get into that right but then he

884
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:43,499
omits that as a journalist you can't do

885
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:45,960
that you just can't if you are an

886
00:46:50,660 --> 00:46:47,849
unbiased person number one it's

887
00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:50,670
questionable to appear on a television

888
00:46:55,759 --> 00:46:52,710
series that controversial it really is

889
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:55,769
if it was more of a historical or a put

890
00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:58,410
you know a political era and and you

891
00:47:02,329 --> 00:47:00,900
know mr. bender covered that in depth

892
00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:02,339
okay that makes sense I mean I've

893
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:04,440
produced a lot for History Channel those

894
00:47:08,509 --> 00:47:06,450
are the guys you go for but on something

895
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:08,519
this controversial and you and you put

896
00:47:13,219 --> 00:47:10,200
him front and center

897
00:47:15,140 --> 00:47:13,229
what do you do now you make him a TV

898
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:15,150
star right even though he wasn't the

899
00:47:18,229 --> 00:47:16,890
star of the show don't get me wrong but

900
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:18,239
to somebody who's not on TV all the time

901
00:47:21,499 --> 00:47:20,460
that's how they feel I know that for a

902
00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:21,509
fact because I've worked with people

903
00:47:26,209 --> 00:47:22,200
like that

904
00:47:28,249 --> 00:47:26,219
mm-hm and so when when you do that now

905
00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:28,259
what happens when the Pentagon says well

906
00:47:32,479 --> 00:47:30,329
mr. Lewis Elizondo had no

907
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,489
responsibilities on a tip right they

908
00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:34,559
fired a shot across the bow and they say

909
00:47:39,709 --> 00:47:37,319
look we've had enough so this attention

910
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:39,719
that's all this is getting yeah there is

911
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:41,249
some truth to the UFO thing right

912
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:43,710
everybody flipped out over it and the

913
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:44,460
second part of

914
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,250
statement was but Luis Elizondo had no

915
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:48,960
responsibilities on this program and

916
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:51,210
then it's like that's that you know this

917
00:47:57,260 --> 00:47:54,930
is a mass conspiracy to to to take down

918
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:57,270
one guy and this is the Pentagon doesn't

919
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:58,650
know what they're doing and this is a

920
00:48:03,530 --> 00:48:00,180
conspiracy it's like well wait a minute

921
00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:03,540
you know just a week ago the same person

922
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:06,359
from the same office said something that

923
00:48:10,820 --> 00:48:08,010
you appraised to high heaven it was

924
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:10,830
gospel there's no way that they would be

925
00:48:14,089 --> 00:48:12,330
making something like that up but then

926
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,099
all of a sudden you know the same person

927
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:15,839
comes out with a different statement and

928
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:17,640
they're like now now the prep press and

929
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,710
press officers don't you know they don't

930
00:48:25,099 --> 00:48:21,920
know anything and so it's a very

931
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:25,109
selective belief system which is hurtful

932
00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:27,660
and harmful now I would expect that from

933
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:29,369
the bloggers and from people that

934
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:30,930
pretend to be journalists that's fine

935
00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:35,520
not a tender status not at all and from

936
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:37,230
somebody from that status yeah and so

937
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:39,240
for me I try and remove myself from

938
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,160
again because I get emotional about this

939
00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:43,680
it's it's personal I've been involved in

940
00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:46,200
the UFO field for 23 years of course I

941
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:47,700
care about what people are talking about

942
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:50,130
and so I try and remove myself and I

943
00:48:54,609 --> 00:48:51,720
look at it and I go that is fascinating

944
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:54,619
a major mainstream outlet oh by the way

945
00:48:59,240 --> 00:48:56,700
because this is public I mean I'm not

946
00:49:02,089 --> 00:48:59,250
blowing anything that was private but

947
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,099
but Brian bender blocked me and I in

948
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:05,119
after he and I had conversations and I

949
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,500
wrote him and I say hey man I didn't say

950
00:49:09,140 --> 00:49:08,880
anything to you like what's this all

951
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,150
about

952
00:49:15,020 --> 00:49:11,760
he was mad that I forwarded an article

953
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:15,030
retweeted an article on Twitter that had

954
00:49:21,020 --> 00:49:17,970
quoted the Pentagon statement about Lois

955
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:21,030
Elizondo that was it and he told me that

956
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,369
that was the reason and it's like well

957
00:49:29,329 --> 00:49:26,160
wait a minute why are you so afraid to

958
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:29,339
cover that you can refute it you can

959
00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:33,000
disprove it and and and yet he blocked

960
00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:36,030
me amongst others okay so all right

961
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:38,760
John let me jump in also for clarity

962
00:49:45,260 --> 00:49:42,170
here didn't he delete a tweet of his

963
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:45,270
absolutely so the short of it is on June

964
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:48,540
1st that was a early Saturday morning

965
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:50,490
the intercept dropped the article that

966
00:49:55,310 --> 00:49:53,130
revealed the Pentagon's statement and

967
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,320
that was Luis Elizondo I had no

968
00:50:01,620 --> 00:49:58,000
responsibilities Sunday night

969
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:01,630
on the second Brian bender said expect a

970
00:50:06,990 --> 00:50:05,440
new statement this week and and it will

971
00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:07,000
essentially put this issue to bat

972
00:50:10,110 --> 00:50:08,350
paraphrasing there but it essentially

973
00:50:11,970 --> 00:50:10,120
put the issue to bed but he promised

974
00:50:14,580 --> 00:50:11,980
that week that a new statement was was

975
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:14,590
coming right so I wrote bender not only

976
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:16,960
publicly but privately and I said how

977
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:20,710
would you orchestrate a a new Pentagon

978
00:50:27,390 --> 00:50:24,910
statement on a weekend and / and promise

979
00:50:29,130 --> 00:50:27,400
it to the world like like how is what do

980
00:50:31,170 --> 00:50:29,140
you and I wasn't challenging him I was

981
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:31,180
genuinely asking because when that

982
00:50:36,750 --> 00:50:34,480
statement was was published I didn't

983
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:36,760
believe it as many red flags as I've had

984
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:40,810
about that organization I did not expect

985
00:50:46,830 --> 00:50:44,110
that and I did not believe it I honestly

986
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:46,840
didn't and i independently verified it

987
00:50:53,010 --> 00:50:49,450
to make sure and it was true and I but I

988
00:50:56,910 --> 00:50:53,020
was I mean I was flabbergasted I truly

989
00:50:59,490 --> 00:50:56,920
was and and that's hard for me to say

990
00:51:02,550 --> 00:50:59,500
because I've had so many reservations

991
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:02,560
about this story and I didn't believe it

992
00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:06,070
at first and and so when bender posted

993
00:51:10,410 --> 00:51:08,200
that I said okay well then here we go

994
00:51:12,510 --> 00:51:10,420
and that can't that week came and went

995
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:12,520
the next week came and went

996
00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:16,480
then the and I believe I'm getting too

997
00:51:20,370 --> 00:51:18,190
far ahead chronologically but George

998
00:51:22,290 --> 00:51:20,380
Knapp had believed about a week later I

999
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:22,300
think it was Wednesday if memory serves

1000
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:24,970
that next Wednesday after the intercept

1001
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:27,520
published our article with a new version

1002
00:51:33,540 --> 00:51:30,730
of a 2009 Harry Reid letter that

1003
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:33,550
according to him proved that Luis

1004
00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:36,370
Elizondo did head the a tip program and

1005
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:39,790
then further it disproved the intercept

1006
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:42,250
and their claims so I took that letter

1007
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:44,890
to the Pentagon and again we're

1008
00:51:50,010 --> 00:51:46,810
expecting a new statement and that never

1009
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:50,020
came so then this letter pops up so I

1010
00:51:54,690 --> 00:51:51,730
mean a lot of people won't believe me

1011
00:51:56,190 --> 00:51:54,700
but I was looking to change that

1012
00:51:59,610 --> 00:51:56,200
statement and the reason was because

1013
00:52:02,070 --> 00:51:59,620
that does more damage to this entire

1014
00:52:04,650 --> 00:52:02,080
story than anything I have ever brought

1015
00:52:06,810 --> 00:52:04,660
up and and some people hate me for

1016
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:06,820
bringing up certain things in my opinion

1017
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,250
if this does turn out to really

1018
00:52:13,550 --> 00:52:12,000
genuinely be true and mr. Elizondo has a

1019
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:13,560
to the point of fabricating his

1020
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:15,690
background if that turns out to be true

1021
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:18,359
in my opinion that will be more damaging

1022
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:21,450
to this entire story than anything else

1023
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:25,440
and so I did truly genuinely aim to at

1024
00:52:29,420 --> 00:52:27,210
least put that to bed so we could move

1025
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:29,430
on to the questions that I felt were

1026
00:52:34,430 --> 00:52:31,410
still pressing and so I took that letter

1027
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:34,440
and I sent it to the Pentagon and to my

1028
00:52:39,140 --> 00:52:37,170
surprise not only did they verify the

1029
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:39,150
letter they had no problems admitting

1030
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,010
that that was a legitimate letter they

1031
00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:42,960
verified it in an official statement to

1032
00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:45,540
me they said yes that letter is real and

1033
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:50,280
no it does not change anything and that

1034
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:52,980
to me is is a very important aspect to

1035
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:54,690
the story that people need to pay

1036
00:53:02,420 --> 00:52:56,520
attention to yeah what I find

1037
00:53:07,130 --> 00:53:02,430
interesting here John is that T TSA and

1038
00:53:12,050 --> 00:53:07,140
I'm being very direct here T TSA does

1039
00:53:14,810 --> 00:53:12,060
not want to answer questions what they

1040
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,820
want to say and what they continue to

1041
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:17,040
say is I you know what you're missing

1042
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,010
the big picture here you know let let us

1043
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:23,280
handle this don't ask questions

1044
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:26,250
and that it's that that's the opposite

1045
00:53:32,359 --> 00:53:28,500
of what this country and excellent

1046
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:32,369
journalism stands for that we are

1047
00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:36,210
entitled to ask questions and and that's

1048
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:38,430
that's it and when somebody says you

1049
00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:40,530
know what no no no not right now when

1050
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,390
you know what Matt's that's not

1051
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:44,160
important well you know what then answer

1052
00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:46,410
the question and we can move on but

1053
00:53:54,050 --> 00:53:51,390
don't say to back off you know don't you

1054
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:54,060
can't do that and that that's what it

1055
00:53:59,930 --> 00:53:56,940
tells me that were we're asking the

1056
00:54:02,900 --> 00:53:59,940
right questions you know and and my my

1057
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:02,910
list of questions to T TSA still to this

1058
00:54:07,810 --> 00:54:06,000
day remain unanswered and and for

1059
00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:07,820
anybody out there that calls themselves

1060
00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:11,790
a journalist that is in the presence of

1061
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:15,420
anybody at T TSA and isn't asking the

1062
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:18,720
obvious then we have to wonder really

1063
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:21,390
what's going on because they they just

1064
00:54:26,450 --> 00:54:24,480
want to be surrounded by yes people

1065
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:26,460
and that that's that that's that's wrong

1066
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:29,010
to me John and that's where it just

1067
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:32,130
scares me about what actually may be

1068
00:54:39,230 --> 00:54:35,450
happening over at ETS a-and what what

1069
00:54:41,089 --> 00:54:39,240
before I should allow you to respond but

1070
00:54:44,060 --> 00:54:41,099
I want you to respond to this person

1071
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:44,070
will shorten you what is this interim

1072
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:50,220
CEO title yeah you know I wish I had a

1073
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:52,290
good answer for you I don't know I have

1074
00:54:57,530 --> 00:54:54,930
a guess and I'm gonna defend Tom DeLonge

1075
00:55:00,140 --> 00:54:57,540
on this but I could be way off

1076
00:55:01,790 --> 00:55:00,150
I genuinely just don't know my guess is

1077
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:01,800
obviously with the Angels and Airwaves

1078
00:55:06,050 --> 00:55:04,050
thing that he's doing and she's got like

1079
00:55:08,359 --> 00:55:06,060
he's a very successful guy I've got

1080
00:55:11,329 --> 00:55:08,369
nothing against Tom and and on the

1081
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:11,339
contrary I've often defended that I feel

1082
00:55:15,819 --> 00:55:13,410
that he's a very genuine person in this

1083
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:15,829
and he probably does have a genuine

1084
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:18,570
objective here that that's not true I

1085
00:55:22,579 --> 00:55:20,730
think for every name involved but I do

1086
00:55:24,620 --> 00:55:22,589
think that there's a very genuine core

1087
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:24,630
to what he's doing I couldn't agree with

1088
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:27,660
you more I could agree his interest in

1089
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:30,480
UFOs and trying to get to the bottom of

1090
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:33,450
this is genuine not probably genuine

1091
00:55:38,690 --> 00:55:36,480
that maybe it's for real yeah you know

1092
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:38,700
he's got real passion in the game here

1093
00:55:44,359 --> 00:55:41,940
yeah and there's a there's a gullibility

1094
00:55:46,579 --> 00:55:44,369
aspect of this that I think that that

1095
00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:46,589
that that you know kind of hurts him a

1096
00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:48,390
little bit but hey I think he's he's

1097
00:55:51,980 --> 00:55:50,040
genuine so that being said though he's a

1098
00:55:54,589 --> 00:55:51,990
very very successful guy has been for a

1099
00:55:58,220 --> 00:55:54,599
long time he's very very smart and so I

1100
00:56:01,010 --> 00:55:58,230
think that maybe quite possibly he just

1101
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:01,020
has to focus on what's going to bring in

1102
00:56:07,609 --> 00:56:04,319
the most money for him and and so I

1103
00:56:10,339 --> 00:56:07,619
think that TTS a is is not doing that

1104
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:10,349
and so if Angels and Airwaves or

1105
00:56:15,020 --> 00:56:11,849
whatever other business opportunity that

1106
00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:15,030
he has that that maybe will get more

1107
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:16,200
attention from him

1108
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:18,510
then I then I give him respect for

1109
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:21,510
saying okay this corporation B I need to

1110
00:56:26,059 --> 00:56:23,609
put that aside let's bring somebody in

1111
00:56:28,819 --> 00:56:26,069
who can run this because corporation a

1112
00:56:31,579 --> 00:56:28,829
for me is more beneficial for me my

1113
00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:31,589
family my kids whatever so I respect

1114
00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:33,900
that I've got no issue if there's some

1115
00:56:37,730 --> 00:56:35,550
kind of other you know sinister

1116
00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:37,740
objective that comes out later or I'll

1117
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:38,280
stand

1118
00:56:42,830 --> 00:56:40,260
corrected but I think he's just a very

1119
00:56:45,770 --> 00:56:42,840
successful guy and truth be told

1120
00:56:48,620 --> 00:56:45,780
TTS a and and that corporation the

1121
00:56:50,570 --> 00:56:48,630
corporation intent with trying to raise

1122
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:50,580
fifty million dollars on the first

1123
00:56:55,340 --> 00:56:53,250
offering and I thought it was two and a

1124
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:55,350
half million but from what I understand

1125
00:56:59,000 --> 00:56:56,880
from the SEC filings it was only about a

1126
00:57:01,970 --> 00:56:59,010
million and a half right so so they're

1127
00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:01,980
wildly off target there and then here we

1128
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:03,540
are you know approaching two years later

1129
00:57:08,540 --> 00:57:05,700
they're doing another round of of trying

1130
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:08,550
to raise third thirty million I believe

1131
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:11,970
it is and in I I don't think that

1132
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:14,010
they'll raise as much money I honestly

1133
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:17,130
don't I think that the momentum is gone

1134
00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:19,770
I believe that they have not delivered

1135
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:22,740
based on the first round and so I think

1136
00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:25,740
come the SEC filings I'm I'm kind of a

1137
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:27,480
betting man I would probably bet that

1138
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:30,000
they won't do as good for their sake you

1139
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:32,610
know hey I'm I'm a business owner myself

1140
00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:34,740
if they're trying to do a business and

1141
00:57:38,180 --> 00:57:36,270
this is how they're gonna raise money I

1142
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:38,190
wish them all the best of luck but I

1143
00:57:42,260 --> 00:57:39,930
just don't think people are gonna start

1144
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:42,270
shelling out the money because what have

1145
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:44,850
we really received at the end of the day

1146
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:49,050
a lot of promises a lot of broken

1147
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:52,290
promises but but really not substance

1148
00:57:57,740 --> 00:57:56,010
not content not context we're missing a

1149
00:57:59,570 --> 00:57:57,750
lot and I think people are starting to

1150
00:58:02,480 --> 00:57:59,580
catch on and if you don't believe me

1151
00:58:04,940 --> 00:58:02,490
check social media because it's not the

1152
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:04,950
puppies and rainbows that it used to be

1153
00:58:10,370 --> 00:58:08,490
October November December of 2017 when

1154
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:10,380
they would put out something it's

1155
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:11,910
changed a little bit and people are

1156
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:14,640
getting tired of the teases and the hey

1157
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:16,140
wait I've got something big coming

1158
00:58:20,540 --> 00:58:18,690
invest here and we can do some tests

1159
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:20,550
well it's like well what happened to the

1160
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:21,930
million and a half that you first did

1161
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:24,960
and as you pointed out marketing and

1162
00:58:30,740 --> 00:58:28,530
t-shirts and coffee mugs and you know I

1163
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:30,750
mean that's that's hurtful to the bottom

1164
00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:34,980
line so hey if they're out to raise the

1165
00:58:38,030 --> 00:58:36,180
money and they're trying to make this a

1166
00:58:41,810 --> 00:58:38,040
business I wish them the best of luck

1167
00:58:43,490 --> 00:58:41,820
well you know Tom his talent and

1168
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:43,500
everything else he got this thing off

1169
00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:46,650
the ground to TSA has launched he's a

1170
00:58:51,610 --> 00:58:48,870
creative guy and if that's what he you

1171
00:58:53,410 --> 00:58:51,620
know he needs to get into the

1172
00:58:55,870 --> 00:58:53,420
and play guitar and write songs and

1173
00:58:57,580 --> 00:58:55,880
Angels and Airwaves and do all of that

1174
00:59:00,250 --> 00:58:57,590
create that's that's where his heart

1175
00:59:06,220 --> 00:59:00,260
lies and and he needs to go and do that

1176
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:06,230
but who replaces him and what what if in

1177
00:59:12,190 --> 00:59:08,930
in your estimation we've got two minutes

1178
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:12,200
John before the break if it's Jim semi

1179
00:59:20,980 --> 00:59:17,330
van a 25 year CIA veteran does that does

1180
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:20,990
that make to the stars Academy a CIA

1181
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:23,450
front company at that point where you

1182
00:59:28,660 --> 00:59:26,210
don't even have a an actual civilian

1183
00:59:32,970 --> 00:59:28,670
anywhere on the staff anymore it's it's

1184
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:32,980
all counterintelligence DoD and CIA I

1185
00:59:38,350 --> 00:59:35,930
wouldn't be ready to just quite say it

1186
00:59:41,170 --> 00:59:38,360
that strongly but I would say that

1187
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:41,180
that's a lot of CIA people and once

1188
00:59:45,580 --> 00:59:43,490
you're trained at that level you you

1189
00:59:47,650 --> 00:59:45,590
can't really teach an old dog new tricks

1190
00:59:50,740 --> 00:59:47,660
and so it's probably gonna operate like

1191
00:59:52,210 --> 00:59:50,750
one so again I'm not ready to say that

1192
00:59:54,430 --> 00:59:52,220
you know this is tied to the government

1193
00:59:57,100 --> 00:59:54,440
and there's some kind of sinister CIA

1194
00:59:59,500 --> 00:59:57,110
objective but but it probably would be

1195
01:00:00,220 --> 00:59:59,510
run like one I mean I wouldn't argue

1196
01:00:05,590 --> 01:00:00,230
that point

1197
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:05,600
well perception theatrics is half of the

1198
01:00:12,070 --> 01:00:09,040
sale and if that perception is CIA

1199
01:00:17,230 --> 01:00:12,080
National counterintelligence you know

1200
01:00:20,380 --> 01:00:17,240
agents Department of Defense the DIA

1201
01:00:23,350 --> 01:00:20,390
and that is your staff what other

1202
01:00:25,390 --> 01:00:23,360
conclusions can one come to I'm only

1203
01:00:27,370 --> 01:00:25,400
basing it on the facts I'm not I'm not

1204
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:27,380
going down a conspiracy to you know

1205
01:00:32,590 --> 01:00:28,490
rabbit hole here

1206
01:00:35,050 --> 01:00:32,600
I'm just looking at everybody's CV and

1207
01:00:38,170 --> 01:00:35,060
and you can't argue it on the contrary

1208
01:00:41,170 --> 01:00:38,180
though where I would place a quick guess

1209
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:41,180
here in the next year maybe 18 months

1210
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:45,440
instead of some of those figures moving

1211
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:47,930
up to CEO in my opinion I think you're

1212
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:50,930
gonna see one of them drop off I think I

1213
01:00:54,910 --> 01:00:52,570
think it's gonna start to fall apart

1214
01:00:57,490 --> 01:00:54,920
could be let's take a break right here

1215
01:01:00,670 --> 01:00:57,500
this is fade to black we're talking

1216
01:01:03,130 --> 01:01:00,680
about disinformation that's what I'm

1217
01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:03,140
talking it's a crazy situation that we

1218
01:01:07,090 --> 01:01:04,910
find ourselves in these days

1219
01:01:09,610 --> 01:01:07,100
fade to black I'm your semi church our

1220
01:01:12,910 --> 01:01:09,620
guest is John Greenwald of the black

1221
01:01:14,410 --> 01:01:12,920
bolts on the GameChanger network in kg

1222
01:01:17,810 --> 01:01:14,420
re the planet we'll be right back stay

1223
01:01:56,660 --> 01:01:52,480
[Music]

1224
01:02:02,670 --> 01:01:59,039
welcome back fade to black I am your

1225
01:02:08,180 --> 01:02:02,680
host Jimmy Church talking about

1226
01:02:11,219 --> 01:02:08,190
disinformation CIA counterintelligence

1227
01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:11,229
what is actually going on today and John

1228
01:02:21,779 --> 01:02:18,190
when I look at the T TSA how do I say

1229
01:02:28,099 --> 01:02:21,789
talent I'm gonna go a Talon here we've

1230
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:28,109
got a company that is allegedly

1231
01:02:35,459 --> 01:02:32,529
developing alien technology to move into

1232
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:35,469
the private sector for profit that

1233
01:02:39,180 --> 01:02:36,609
sounds great

1234
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:39,190
any gravity airliners I'm down for that

1235
01:02:46,589 --> 01:02:41,920
flying cars right teleportation

1236
01:02:49,259 --> 01:02:46,599
I need a warp drive on my electric bike

1237
01:02:53,940 --> 01:02:49,269
alright so yeah I I'm down for that

1238
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:53,950
why do we need out of you know the top

1239
01:03:00,209 --> 01:02:55,930
ten here on their list why do you need

1240
01:03:03,140 --> 01:03:00,219
three national security advisors yeah

1241
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:03,150
the the titles for everybody are fairly

1242
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:05,920
confusing I mean III think that it

1243
01:03:10,799 --> 01:03:08,249
warrants a little bit of an explanation

1244
01:03:14,339 --> 01:03:10,809
from to the Stars Academy now I'm not a

1245
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:14,349
stockholder so maybe in their in their

1246
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:16,089
meetings that they have I believe that

1247
01:03:19,890 --> 01:03:17,710
they have like shareholder meetings and

1248
01:03:22,769 --> 01:03:19,900
and stuff maybe they've explained it but

1249
01:03:25,709 --> 01:03:22,779
it just doesn't make sense I mean the

1250
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:25,719
the director of global security or

1251
01:03:29,940 --> 01:03:27,609
whatever it is for Lewis Elizondo like

1252
01:03:33,299 --> 01:03:29,950
what is he securing on a global scale

1253
01:03:34,849 --> 01:03:33,309
like what III just there's there's a lot

1254
01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:34,859
of things that I just don't get there

1255
01:03:38,459 --> 01:03:36,910
that makes you kind of scratch your head

1256
01:03:40,349 --> 01:03:38,469
and go well what did these guys do in

1257
01:03:43,950 --> 01:03:40,359
are they making up titles as they go or

1258
01:03:47,789 --> 01:03:43,960
or what and I really just don't know I

1259
01:03:50,940 --> 01:03:47,799
mean why have dr. norm Khan his job

1260
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:50,950
title is national security and he's a 30

1261
01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:54,160
year CIA veteran you know he's got the

1262
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:57,609
CIA's distinguished career intelligence

1263
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:01,119
medal full-on spook right that's it

1264
01:04:08,610 --> 01:04:05,039
that's it he's a full-on spy versus spy

1265
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:08,620
spook what what is he do

1266
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:12,160
as an employee head to the stars Academy

1267
01:04:18,030 --> 01:04:15,370
yeah I mean he's listed as a member of

1268
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:18,040
the advisory panel so my sarcastic

1269
01:04:24,690 --> 01:04:20,640
answer would be he's advising but

1270
01:04:26,220 --> 01:04:24,700
advising what like what okay there's a

1271
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:26,230
lot of argument that they are the ones

1272
01:04:32,850 --> 01:04:30,010
that orchestrated the congressional

1273
01:04:34,820 --> 01:04:32,860
hearings and I am I am saying that with

1274
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:34,830
air quotes even though you can't see me

1275
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:38,050
because I'm I'm still trying to figure

1276
01:04:44,730 --> 01:04:40,690
out if there was really any hearing or

1277
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:44,740
if some of these pilots had met justjust

1278
01:04:50,370 --> 01:04:47,770
in an office and potentially just met

1279
01:04:52,290 --> 01:04:50,380
with a congressman did t TSA play a role

1280
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:52,300
in that they're telling you that they

1281
01:04:56,730 --> 01:04:54,330
are and quite possibly maybe they did

1282
01:05:01,710 --> 01:04:56,740
but when people are arguing about the

1283
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:01,720
successes of T TSA they're only basing

1284
01:05:05,630 --> 01:05:03,610
it off of what T TSA is telling you and

1285
01:05:08,370 --> 01:05:05,640
I don't know what role some of these

1286
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:08,380
advisors are playing for example like

1287
01:05:14,820 --> 01:05:11,410
dr. Cohn that you that you just asked me

1288
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:14,830
about or Chris melon who's probably the

1289
01:05:19,020 --> 01:05:17,050
one that's most influential out of

1290
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:19,030
everybody that if they really did

1291
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:21,760
achieve all of this it was him but a lot

1292
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:23,110
of these names that are listed on the

1293
01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:24,880
website with these fancy titles

1294
01:05:30,170 --> 01:05:27,550
I mean I've haven't heard of some of

1295
01:05:32,730 --> 01:05:30,180
these guys other than them just being

1296
01:05:35,820 --> 01:05:32,740
advisors you know and and they're not

1297
01:05:37,350 --> 01:05:35,830
playing a role in anything so again I

1298
01:05:39,780 --> 01:05:37,360
mean I don't pretend to know about the

1299
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:39,790
inner workings of their corporation but

1300
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:41,410
it does make you scratch your head on

1301
01:05:45,810 --> 01:05:43,690
why would you have that the brain

1302
01:05:49,830 --> 01:05:45,820
function and consciousness consultant

1303
01:05:51,810 --> 01:05:49,840
yes you know like what yeah exactly like

1304
01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:51,820
what are they doing here the only thing

1305
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:54,670
if I were to make an educated guess that

1306
01:06:01,680 --> 01:05:57,850
these players these advisors were all

1307
01:06:04,650 --> 01:06:01,690
set up and put in line that I think they

1308
01:06:07,050 --> 01:06:04,660
probably thought TTS a thought that come

1309
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:07,060
that streamed live stream press

1310
01:06:10,980 --> 01:06:08,890
conference that they were going to

1311
01:06:13,620 --> 01:06:10,990
achieve that 50 million dollars right

1312
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:13,630
away and that would be divvied up to

1313
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:15,730
their three divisions where they were

1314
01:06:21,230 --> 01:06:18,400
really going to take the next step to

1315
01:06:24,260 --> 01:06:21,240
make those three divisions

1316
01:06:26,980 --> 01:06:24,270
work and as a business model again

1317
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:26,990
taking my myself away from any

1318
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:29,250
reservation or thoughts that I have I

1319
01:06:34,070 --> 01:06:31,530
don't think that that was really a bad

1320
01:06:37,310 --> 01:06:34,080
idea because that 50 million dollars

1321
01:06:39,350 --> 01:06:37,320
invested into let's say highly advanced

1322
01:06:41,660 --> 01:06:39,360
aerospace technology and stuff like that

1323
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:41,670
if they have the right people aboard if

1324
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:44,730
they play their cards right they really

1325
01:06:49,340 --> 01:06:47,010
could have been a contender maybe in the

1326
01:06:51,620 --> 01:06:49,350
next 5 or 10 years with the Richard

1327
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:51,630
Branson's and the Elon Musk's that's a

1328
01:06:55,940 --> 01:06:53,730
stretch and it's a gamble but I think

1329
01:06:58,520 --> 01:06:55,950
that that was the intent when you fall

1330
01:07:00,050 --> 01:06:58,530
flat then on the investment then the

1331
01:07:02,810 --> 01:07:00,060
question is well you just brought all

1332
01:07:05,420 --> 01:07:02,820
these advisors on board you know and and

1333
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:05,430
so what do you do do you just say well

1334
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:06,720
sorry I'm gonna delete you from the

1335
01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:08,730
website now or just kind of keep them

1336
01:07:14,810 --> 01:07:11,910
around in hopes that round number 2 will

1337
01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:14,820
get you the money that you need and so

1338
01:07:19,340 --> 01:07:16,260
maybe that's why we're still seeing

1339
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:19,350
these names because brain function and

1340
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:22,290
consciousness consulting it will play a

1341
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:24,570
role in something that you know maybe we

1342
01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:26,460
haven't thought of yet here here's one

1343
01:07:29,570 --> 01:07:27,480
thing I want to throw out about the

1344
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:29,580
money because I before you switch gears

1345
01:07:33,020 --> 01:07:31,170
but the one thing I want to throw out

1346
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:33,030
about the money that not many people

1347
01:07:38,359 --> 01:07:35,609
talk about that I think is incredibly

1348
01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:38,369
important is that the core of what T TSA

1349
01:07:43,130 --> 01:07:40,500
is trying to achieve which which on some

1350
01:07:46,849 --> 01:07:43,140
of it I do actually don't disagree with

1351
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:46,859
I support it if they really were doing

1352
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:48,510
something that they wanted to benefit

1353
01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:51,330
the public if we take two of the players

1354
01:07:55,970 --> 01:07:53,369
that you have already named in this show

1355
01:07:57,710 --> 01:07:55,980
Chris Mellon and Tom DeLonge Mellon

1356
01:08:00,500 --> 01:07:57,720
comes from a very successful family I

1357
01:08:01,310 --> 01:08:00,510
was curious I looked it up that family

1358
01:08:03,730 --> 01:08:01,320
is worth

1359
01:08:06,530 --> 01:08:03,740
according to Forbes eleven and a half

1360
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:06,540
billion dollars with a B that's right

1361
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:09,930
now I've tried to look for a accurate

1362
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:12,810
net worth of Tom DeLonge I get anywhere

1363
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:15,450
from 54 if excuse me 40 to 80 million

1364
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:16,799
dollars somewhere around there let's

1365
01:08:21,499 --> 01:08:19,279
just say it's 40 that's a lot of money

1366
01:08:24,019 --> 01:08:21,509
single-handedly while double handedly

1367
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:24,029
between those two gentlemen they could

1368
01:08:29,450 --> 01:08:26,400
make this organization based off of

1369
01:08:31,099 --> 01:08:29,460
money from you know if if Chris doesn't

1370
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:31,109
have it you can call an uncle or a

1371
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:33,690
cousin or whomever and say hey look

1372
01:08:37,370 --> 01:08:34,770
here's a

1373
01:08:39,260 --> 01:08:37,380
viable investment opportunity let's do

1374
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:39,270
this let's make it work and they could

1375
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:42,000
have made it work in like a day you know

1376
01:08:46,610 --> 01:08:44,130
I mean this the theatrics to do this

1377
01:08:48,590 --> 01:08:46,620
public benefit corporation and solicit

1378
01:08:51,019 --> 01:08:48,600
money from the public that's all well

1379
01:08:53,870 --> 01:08:51,029
and good if it worked it didn't work so

1380
01:08:56,269 --> 01:08:53,880
now fast forward instead of switching

1381
01:08:58,880 --> 01:08:56,279
the way that they're going to finance

1382
01:09:01,610 --> 01:08:58,890
this they kind of double down on these

1383
01:09:04,700 --> 01:09:01,620
broken promises and say hey look here's

1384
01:09:07,329 --> 01:09:04,710
a piece of metal and in their press

1385
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:07,339
release this to me boggled my mind a

1386
01:09:12,170 --> 01:09:09,450
scientific announcement that they

1387
01:09:14,269 --> 01:09:12,180
acquired a meta material and they put

1388
01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:14,279
this press release out there and the

1389
01:09:18,289 --> 01:09:16,049
press release uses a photo of a

1390
01:09:22,099 --> 01:09:18,299
earth-based mineral known as malachite

1391
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:22,109
now I tweeted that out and there's a

1392
01:09:28,610 --> 01:09:24,900
stock footage house that actually has

1393
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:28,620
the exact photo that they used for their

1394
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:30,330
press release about this scientific

1395
01:09:36,380 --> 01:09:33,690
breakthrough acquisition and for me you

1396
01:09:38,809 --> 01:09:36,390
know that is telling why would you not

1397
01:09:40,700 --> 01:09:38,819
use a picture of what you have and then

1398
01:09:42,050 --> 01:09:40,710
I think and I'm not gonna take credit I

1399
01:09:44,570 --> 01:09:42,060
wasn't the first one that figured it out

1400
01:09:47,390 --> 01:09:44,580
but I tweeted it out and said look at

1401
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:47,400
this this is ridiculous it gained a

1402
01:09:50,809 --> 01:09:49,290
little bit of traction so they were

1403
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:50,819
publishing the photos of the

1404
01:09:55,610 --> 01:09:53,370
metamaterial in hopes to I guess squash

1405
01:09:58,820 --> 01:09:55,620
the public reaction of why are you guys

1406
01:10:01,520 --> 01:09:58,830
showing a rock ya know like show what

1407
01:10:05,140 --> 01:10:01,530
you actually have and that is all

1408
01:10:08,030 --> 01:10:05,150
playing a role I think in this secrecy

1409
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:08,040
covert agenda that is paving the way to

1410
01:10:12,590 --> 01:10:09,600
make you scratch your head and go is

1411
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:12,600
this a CIA op why would they do that

1412
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:16,080
they could fund all of this with their

1413
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:19,290
board members easy yet they don't they

1414
01:10:22,910 --> 01:10:21,210
could show us these scientific

1415
01:10:25,190 --> 01:10:22,920
breakthroughs that they've acquired

1416
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,200
right they have this elaborate press

1417
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,360
release but all they did was they got

1418
01:10:31,250 --> 01:10:29,280
the medal like there was no testing

1419
01:10:33,140 --> 01:10:31,260
there was no nothing so they made it

1420
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:33,150
seem like something it was not for round

1421
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:36,110
2 of funding I just don't get that then

1422
01:10:39,620 --> 01:10:38,010
those are the things that need to change

1423
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:39,630
they're not going to be able to do

1424
01:10:48,069 --> 01:10:42,800
anything i watch it again for clarity

1425
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:48,079
this photograph on their website

1426
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:50,719
the metamaterials press release yeah

1427
01:10:55,620 --> 01:10:52,489
you're saying that this photograph that

1428
01:10:59,319 --> 01:10:55,630
I'm looking at here is a stock photo

1429
01:11:02,310 --> 01:10:59,329
yeah so if you go to you know deep deep

1430
01:11:06,010 --> 01:11:02,320
deep EO down to the stars academy.com

1431
01:11:09,069 --> 01:11:06,020
/blog so that's key and I'll tell you

1432
01:11:13,919 --> 01:11:09,079
why in a second so go to /blog the top

1433
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:13,929
one July 25th 2019 that is malachite and

1434
01:11:18,220 --> 01:11:16,880
my twitter account has it I posted it a

1435
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:18,230
day or two ago

1436
01:11:24,729 --> 01:11:21,050
shameless plug it's black vault co and

1437
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:24,739
black vault comm right and Minh and I

1438
01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:27,199
link over to the Shutterstock stock

1439
01:11:32,500 --> 01:11:29,510
photo of malachite now I was born and

1440
01:11:34,030 --> 01:11:32,510
raised in Iraq and gem Club and and I

1441
01:11:35,260 --> 01:11:34,040
laugh only because I had a lot of fun in

1442
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:35,270
it it was very cool you learn a lot

1443
01:11:39,879 --> 01:11:37,280
about rocks and gems and minerals and

1444
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:39,889
stuff like that so malachite is

1445
01:11:44,770 --> 01:11:42,110
something that I've seen since I was a

1446
01:11:46,899 --> 01:11:44,780
wee little lad when my mom and dad would

1447
01:11:49,209 --> 01:11:46,909
take me to these meetings so it doesn't

1448
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:49,219
take a you know a scientist to figure

1449
01:11:52,959 --> 01:11:51,290
out like hey wait a minute not only is

1450
01:11:55,149 --> 01:11:52,969
that not a minute metamaterial but why

1451
01:11:57,339 --> 01:11:55,159
are you why are you editing a stock

1452
01:11:57,700 --> 01:11:57,349
photo of malachite and putting that out

1453
01:11:59,530 --> 01:11:57,710
there

1454
01:12:02,290 --> 01:11:59,540
so I linked to the direct mint you can

1455
01:12:04,180 --> 01:12:02,300
match it up it is 100% a match and

1456
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:04,190
that's what they are putting out there

1457
01:12:09,490 --> 01:12:07,760
so that that's worrisome and as you know

1458
01:12:10,060 --> 01:12:09,500
I mean you've interviewed me a couple of

1459
01:12:12,970 --> 01:12:10,070
times

1460
01:12:16,209 --> 01:12:12,980
I never harped on TTS a in the beginning

1461
01:12:19,419 --> 01:12:16,219
about number one using a picture of a

1462
01:12:22,299 --> 01:12:19,429
mylar balloon that was debunked years

1463
01:12:23,770 --> 01:12:22,309
ago as a representation of the tic-tac

1464
01:12:28,839 --> 01:12:23,780
right and their original thing I never

1465
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:28,849
brought that up mistakes happen I did so

1466
01:12:33,970 --> 01:12:30,650
but I mean I'd my gripes were elsewhere

1467
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:33,980
yes now but now it's it's now it's it's

1468
01:12:37,839 --> 01:12:36,050
more important to me because now then

1469
01:12:40,810 --> 01:12:37,849
you had Lewis Elizondo standing in front

1470
01:12:43,959 --> 01:12:40,820
of a world audience in Italy and giving

1471
01:12:47,140 --> 01:12:43,969
a presentation and points to a CGI a

1472
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:47,150
still frame from an animation and I knew

1473
01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:49,280
it right away because I had licensed it

1474
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:53,030
years ago for a documentary I did for

1475
01:12:56,350 --> 01:12:54,650
History Channel but I'm not the only one

1476
01:12:58,899 --> 01:12:56,360
this thing has been used and reused a

1477
01:13:01,330 --> 01:12:58,909
hundred times over and he points to it

1478
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:01,340
he says this is an exact photo of a

1479
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:01,850
nineteen

1480
01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:04,730
of the 1952 Washington sightings over

1481
01:13:10,660 --> 01:13:07,490
the Capitol building no it was CGI and

1482
01:13:14,050 --> 01:13:10,670
only that Nazi when he did that this is

1483
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:14,060
what bothered me most about that John is

1484
01:13:20,860 --> 01:13:18,250
that any anybody in the UFO community

1485
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:20,870
knows that there were no photographs

1486
01:13:27,310 --> 01:13:24,560
from 1952 everybody knows that that was

1487
01:13:31,180 --> 01:13:27,320
a picture of reflected parking lot

1488
01:13:34,090 --> 01:13:31,190
lights and it was used for a film post

1489
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:34,100
or a movie post if you know was the

1490
01:13:38,890 --> 01:13:35,840
cover of fate magazine or whatever it

1491
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:38,900
but we all know this and when he said

1492
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:41,600
that I thought to myself here's a guy

1493
01:13:45,250 --> 01:13:44,000
that doesn't know the facts and he

1494
01:13:49,570 --> 01:13:45,260
doesn't know what he's talking about

1495
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:49,580
yeah and and that that combined with the

1496
01:13:53,490 --> 01:13:51,890
mylar balloon and now this metamaterials

1497
01:13:56,770 --> 01:13:53,500
photograph which I didn't know about

1498
01:13:59,500 --> 01:13:56,780
yeah this it's just how much more stuff

1499
01:14:01,690 --> 01:13:59,510
can we pile up on this load of crap yeah

1500
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:01,700
and and that's that to me is where then

1501
01:14:04,900 --> 01:14:03,410
all of a sudden all of this is starting

1502
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:04,910
to make a little bit more sense it

1503
01:14:08,590 --> 01:14:06,890
becomes more important because again I

1504
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,600
do I want to drive the point home that

1505
01:14:13,210 --> 01:14:10,640
even though I had a lot of red flags I

1506
01:14:15,250 --> 01:14:13,220
gave them some leeway I tried to cut

1507
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:15,260
some slack and and give benefits of the

1508
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:17,690
doubt that that was a mistake that was a

1509
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:18,170
mistake

1510
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:22,250
make before you have to ask the question

1511
01:14:27,340 --> 01:14:24,530
okay what are you guys doing you know

1512
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,350
there's there's a phrase that a lot I

1513
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,840
call them the TTS a superfans

1514
01:14:33,700 --> 01:14:32,000
that is thrown around a lot while the

1515
01:14:35,050 --> 01:14:33,710
UFO community is in their target so who

1516
01:14:37,210 --> 01:14:35,060
cares what John Greenwald or Jimmy

1517
01:14:39,130 --> 01:14:37,220
Church or whomever says they're there

1518
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:39,140
above and beyond that right I don't know

1519
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:40,730
if that's an official stance or not but

1520
01:14:45,700 --> 01:14:43,280
a lot of the a lot of people that fire

1521
01:14:47,740 --> 01:14:45,710
shots at me will will say that well

1522
01:14:49,690 --> 01:14:47,750
there has to be a point where you care

1523
01:14:51,250 --> 01:14:49,700
about what you're telling your people no

1524
01:14:54,130 --> 01:14:51,260
matter what community you're targeting

1525
01:14:57,460 --> 01:14:54,140
and when you when you have these many

1526
01:14:59,920 --> 01:14:57,470
blunders it makes you ask that question

1527
01:15:02,620 --> 01:14:59,930
what is your intent are you trying to

1528
01:15:05,260 --> 01:15:02,630
mislead why don't you show a real photo

1529
01:15:08,050 --> 01:15:05,270
of your metamaterial why would you just

1530
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:08,060
put this major press release out to help

1531
01:15:14,260 --> 01:15:12,080
fund you know to help entice investments

1532
01:15:15,580 --> 01:15:14,270
into your corporation not only use the

1533
01:15:18,460 --> 01:15:15,590
wrong photograph but

1534
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:18,470
on top of that not have anything of

1535
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:21,650
substance right I mean you'd at least be

1536
01:15:26,290 --> 01:15:24,320
able to take this piece of metal go to a

1537
01:15:30,730 --> 01:15:26,300
lab you've raised a million and a half

1538
01:15:32,380 --> 01:15:30,740
dollars you you've got a an advisor cut

1539
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:32,390
who comes from a family that's worth 11

1540
01:15:38,170 --> 01:15:35,330
and a half billion your CEO has either

1541
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:38,180
forty to eighty million dollars go out

1542
01:15:43,330 --> 01:15:40,010
there to a major university take your

1543
01:15:45,820 --> 01:15:43,340
piece expedite a test if you're that

1544
01:15:48,700 --> 01:15:45,830
confident in it and that's your press

1545
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:48,710
release Yeah right that that's something

1546
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:51,920
worthy but instead this this shroud of

1547
01:15:56,830 --> 01:15:54,410
secrecy from a public benefit

1548
01:15:59,080 --> 01:15:56,840
corporation who prided themselves on

1549
01:16:01,960 --> 01:15:59,090
ending the secrecy what's up with that

1550
01:16:04,750 --> 01:16:01,970
you know the the fact that they've

1551
01:16:06,430 --> 01:16:04,760
acquired all these UFO pieces and yet

1552
01:16:08,530 --> 01:16:06,440
they won't talk to you about any of them

1553
01:16:10,210 --> 01:16:08,540
it's it's they've just acquired them or

1554
01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:10,220
they're they're working on them well

1555
01:16:14,230 --> 01:16:12,710
that's great that's that's awesome but

1556
01:16:17,710 --> 01:16:14,240
again with the amount of money floating

1557
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:17,720
around from the advisers and and then

1558
01:16:21,330 --> 01:16:19,130
the board members and people that are

1559
01:16:23,860 --> 01:16:21,340
owners there's enough that could be

1560
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:23,870
financed on a personal level if you

1561
01:16:30,010 --> 01:16:26,570
really believe in what you've got and

1562
01:16:32,380 --> 01:16:30,020
and I mean in seed and succeed and

1563
01:16:34,650 --> 01:16:32,390
succeed yeah yes and and and hell if

1564
01:16:37,410 --> 01:16:34,660
they brought that out and they had

1565
01:16:39,700 --> 01:16:37,420
irrefutable scientific peer-reviewed

1566
01:16:42,190 --> 01:16:39,710
whatever that showed that there was some

1567
01:16:44,740 --> 01:16:42,200
kind of otherworldly connection to this

1568
01:16:46,450 --> 01:16:44,750
I'll slap down some investment money you

1569
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:46,460
know I mean if they really went there

1570
01:16:50,770 --> 01:16:48,800
and their science was solid I don't

1571
01:16:53,500 --> 01:16:50,780
think that anybody that has any interest

1572
01:16:56,050 --> 01:16:53,510
in this would not want to invest but

1573
01:16:59,080 --> 01:16:56,060
instead you don't have any of that you

1574
01:17:02,110 --> 01:16:59,090
just have more secrecy more corporate

1575
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:02,120
shielding and more people that hide

1576
01:17:07,540 --> 01:17:04,880
behind security clearances and don't

1577
01:17:10,660 --> 01:17:07,550
want to answer tough questions and that

1578
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:10,670
that has been problematic almost from

1579
01:17:16,770 --> 01:17:12,650
the get-go with with with the

1580
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:16,780
organization and now with the Pentagon

1581
01:17:20,890 --> 01:17:19,130
saying what they did not only against

1582
01:17:22,930 --> 01:17:20,900
mr. Elizondo right let's put that aside

1583
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:22,940
I'm not sure if you're aware of this or

1584
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:25,370
not but about a month ago I was really

1585
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:28,010
researching hard the videos themselves

1586
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:29,090
right so I

1587
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:32,210
took all the players away from my

1588
01:17:37,959 --> 01:17:35,090
research angle all of TTS a I just

1589
01:17:41,050 --> 01:17:37,969
focused on the videos and not only found

1590
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:41,060
out irrefutably I mean like no one's

1591
01:17:45,070 --> 01:17:42,530
been able to come up with any kind of

1592
01:17:48,370 --> 01:17:45,080
counter to this those three videos that

1593
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:48,380
T TSA released they're not cleared for

1594
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:51,050
public release at all they were not

1595
01:17:55,959 --> 01:17:53,570
officially Declassified like as being

1596
01:17:58,479 --> 01:17:55,969
told to us I have official statements

1597
01:18:01,149 --> 01:17:58,489
from the Pentagon stating such right now

1598
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:01,159
people say the Pentagon lies fine then

1599
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:02,690
let's prove them wrong but there's no

1600
01:18:07,419 --> 01:18:04,610
evidence to support that the Pentagon is

1601
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:07,429
wrong that being said they also in a

1602
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:09,710
statement later on to me which is all

1603
01:18:17,020 --> 01:18:13,489
verifiable named to the Stars Academy by

1604
01:18:19,810 --> 01:18:17,030
name and the New York Times that they

1605
01:18:22,570 --> 01:18:19,820
were not allowed or cleared to show

1606
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:22,580
those videos so the story that we've

1607
01:18:28,959 --> 01:18:26,210
been told about these videos is flawed

1608
01:18:31,870 --> 01:18:28,969
from the get-go and then when you add in

1609
01:18:34,629 --> 01:18:31,880
what's called a DD Form 1910 mm-hmm what

1610
01:18:36,129 --> 01:18:34,639
that what that is is instead of going

1611
01:18:37,780 --> 01:18:36,139
through a Freedom of Information Act

1612
01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:37,790
request right that's something you and I

1613
01:18:42,100 --> 01:18:39,920
can do or what's called an MDR a

1614
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:42,110
mandatory declassification review that's

1615
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:44,449
something you and I can do somebody on

1616
01:18:50,350 --> 01:18:47,330
the inside that has a either classified

1617
01:18:52,270 --> 01:18:50,360
or unclassified something and they want

1618
01:18:55,899 --> 01:18:52,280
to what a potentially show it in a slide

1619
01:18:59,020 --> 01:18:55,909
presentation or whatever they fill out a

1620
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:59,030
DD Form 1910 in fact mr. Elizondo give a

1621
01:19:05,169 --> 01:19:02,000
great rundown of how this happened on

1622
01:19:08,890 --> 01:19:05,179
coast-to-coast am and so the DD Form

1623
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:08,900
1910 was submitted up until George Knapp

1624
01:19:12,580 --> 01:19:10,880
released the actual document we assumed

1625
01:19:14,919 --> 01:19:12,590
it was mr. Elizondo because he had

1626
01:19:16,990 --> 01:19:14,929
intimate knowledge about how this was

1627
01:19:19,660 --> 01:19:17,000
done yet the name of the requester was

1628
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:19,670
blacked out but what is more telling

1629
01:19:25,810 --> 01:19:22,610
than all else right aside from the fact

1630
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:25,820
that the form does not allow or pave the

1631
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:28,610
way for public release was that the

1632
01:19:33,729 --> 01:19:31,130
three videos were defined as UAVs or

1633
01:19:39,700 --> 01:19:33,739
unidentified are excuse me unmanned

1634
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:39,710
aerial vehicles balloons or UAS unmanned

1635
01:19:43,029 --> 01:19:42,050
aerial systems the first and the third

1636
01:19:45,490 --> 01:19:43,039
of those

1637
01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:45,500
we are pretty much drones right that's

1638
01:19:50,020 --> 01:19:48,289
an aka drones that's what they mean so

1639
01:19:52,509 --> 01:19:50,030
whomever filled out that form which

1640
01:19:53,740 --> 01:19:52,519
again I thought was mr. Elizondo but if

1641
01:19:54,250 --> 01:19:53,750
they want to black out the name that's

1642
01:19:56,770 --> 01:19:54,260
fine

1643
01:19:58,629 --> 01:19:56,780
whomever filled it out said that those

1644
01:20:01,629 --> 01:19:58,639
three videos that are being told to us

1645
01:20:04,990 --> 01:20:01,639
as some UAP or UFO phenomena and they

1646
01:20:07,779 --> 01:20:05,000
very well may be internally they're

1647
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:07,789
being labeled as balloons and drones why

1648
01:20:13,509 --> 01:20:10,730
is that nobody's asking that question so

1649
01:20:18,459 --> 01:20:13,519
two things are going on here the public

1650
01:20:21,490 --> 01:20:18,469
is being misled or the agency was misled

1651
01:20:23,589 --> 01:20:21,500
that in itself is an extreme violation I

1652
01:20:26,620 --> 01:20:23,599
won't go into any legal repercussions

1653
01:20:29,770 --> 01:20:26,630
that's not my forte and I'm not going to

1654
01:20:33,250 --> 01:20:29,780
start throwing around legal whatever but

1655
01:20:36,430 --> 01:20:33,260
that is not protocol so someone was

1656
01:20:40,359 --> 01:20:36,440
being lied to and so why I bring up the

1657
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:40,369
protocol angle is that once that DD form

1658
01:20:46,359 --> 01:20:43,610
1910 goes in reviewers that are away

1659
01:20:49,169 --> 01:20:46,369
from the requester have to look at it's

1660
01:20:51,490 --> 01:20:49,179
called dobbs er they have to look at the

1661
01:20:54,549 --> 01:20:51,500
material that's requested for release

1662
01:20:58,450 --> 01:20:54,559
and based on the information on the form

1663
01:21:01,299 --> 01:20:58,460
and in addition to the description there

1664
01:21:02,890 --> 01:21:01,309
is what's called use and usage and so

1665
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:02,900
the requester says well I want to use it

1666
01:21:06,250 --> 01:21:04,130
for this or I want to use it for that

1667
01:21:08,649 --> 01:21:06,260
and whomever filled out the form for

1668
01:21:11,939 --> 01:21:08,659
those drones and balloons according to

1669
01:21:14,879 --> 01:21:11,949
them they were only going to use it for

1670
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:14,889
United States government use only and

1671
01:21:19,509 --> 01:21:17,360
for a database essentially leading

1672
01:21:21,729 --> 01:21:19,519
towards you know aviation safety and

1673
01:21:25,810 --> 01:21:21,739
stuff like that but it was not for

1674
01:21:29,020 --> 01:21:25,820
public release and they needed to adhere

1675
01:21:31,180 --> 01:21:29,030
to what they put on the form because it

1676
01:21:33,459 --> 01:21:31,190
was approved but it was not approved for

1677
01:21:36,609 --> 01:21:33,469
public release because they specifically

1678
01:21:40,839 --> 01:21:36,619
said we are not using it for public

1679
01:21:43,839 --> 01:21:40,849
release now what happens it's cleared it

1680
01:21:46,689 --> 01:21:43,849
within six weeks because the date is on

1681
01:21:49,209 --> 01:21:46,699
the form so do the math within six weeks

1682
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:49,219
of the dopler process being completed

1683
01:21:53,919 --> 01:21:51,650
and those videos the drones and balloons

1684
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:53,929
that were only supposed to be used for

1685
01:21:59,600 --> 01:21:56,639
US government use only

1686
01:22:02,149 --> 01:21:59,610
not for public release winds up on the

1687
01:22:03,799 --> 01:22:02,159
new york times and then involved in a

1688
01:22:05,889 --> 01:22:03,809
public benefit corporation where they

1689
01:22:08,209 --> 01:22:05,899
slapped a corporate logo on them and

1690
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:08,219
tried to get investments based on those

1691
01:22:16,609 --> 01:22:12,239
videos I think that's the definition of

1692
01:22:19,459 --> 01:22:16,619
shady well it feels strange and the

1693
01:22:23,299 --> 01:22:19,469
reason why I mean if it feels strange it

1694
01:22:27,319 --> 01:22:23,309
probably is but where it goes further is

1695
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:27,329
that the one thing that they based

1696
01:22:35,659 --> 01:22:30,719
everything on was the repeated statement

1697
01:22:39,679 --> 01:22:35,669
that the the the Pentagon has released

1698
01:22:42,830 --> 01:22:39,689
these never-seen-before videos of UFOs

1699
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:42,840
to the public and it was repeated over

1700
01:22:48,770 --> 01:22:46,169
and over and over and over again and

1701
01:22:53,569 --> 01:22:48,780
what they didn't plan on was getting

1702
01:22:55,429 --> 01:22:53,579
caught and the the UFO community John

1703
01:22:57,919 --> 01:22:55,439
you know as well as anybody if you're

1704
01:23:01,219 --> 01:22:57,929
gonna if you're gonna walk a line a thin

1705
01:23:04,699 --> 01:23:01,229
line and and try to balance yourself and

1706
01:23:07,339 --> 01:23:04,709
and not get caught this UFO community is

1707
01:23:10,069 --> 01:23:07,349
too quick it normally takes a few

1708
01:23:12,350 --> 01:23:10,079
minutes to get something torn apart

1709
01:23:15,709 --> 01:23:12,360
yeah and that's that's what happens here

1710
01:23:20,270 --> 01:23:15,719
the the situation that has gone down

1711
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:20,280
with t TSA it's not then once it's not

1712
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:22,530
been twice it wasn't the mylar balloons

1713
01:23:28,100 --> 01:23:25,530
or this metamaterials or the videos or

1714
01:23:30,799 --> 01:23:28,110
these these other mistakes but then

1715
01:23:35,179 --> 01:23:30,809
there's the the situation with Elizondo

1716
01:23:41,649 --> 01:23:35,189
there's aerospace or air aeronautics and

1717
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:41,659
that question about a tip and and how

1718
01:23:48,469 --> 01:23:45,110
one thing after another where you've got

1719
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:48,479
the New York Times doing their article

1720
01:23:54,290 --> 01:23:51,689
and when they did that article everybody

1721
01:23:55,639 --> 01:23:54,300
accepted that as gospel what was in the

1722
01:23:58,939 --> 01:23:55,649
New York Times

1723
01:24:02,089 --> 01:23:58,949
it went through legal they they they vet

1724
01:24:04,879 --> 01:24:02,099
everything so all of this must be true

1725
01:24:06,949 --> 01:24:04,889
and so it was taken as biblical fact and

1726
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:06,959
then it goes across all of the rest of

1727
01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:10,090
mainstream media the story has never

1728
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:12,310
changed because it was established back

1729
01:24:17,879 --> 01:24:15,280
then now they've gotten caught you know

1730
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:17,889
one time after another it just seems to

1731
01:24:25,050 --> 01:24:20,290
me like there's must be something legal

1732
01:24:26,850 --> 01:24:25,060
here why why isn't you know why why

1733
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:26,860
aren't there agencies looking at this

1734
01:24:32,490 --> 01:24:29,530
and questioning what is going on if this

1735
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:32,500
was coca-cola John they would be called

1736
01:24:39,359 --> 01:24:35,170
out there would be Department of Justice

1737
01:24:41,550 --> 01:24:39,369
ethics people all over this yeah you

1738
01:24:43,770 --> 01:24:41,560
can't you can't do this but why does to

1739
01:24:44,660 --> 01:24:43,780
the Stars get away with this one time

1740
01:24:46,740 --> 01:24:44,670
after another

1741
01:24:49,290 --> 01:24:46,750
let me ask you a quick question not to

1742
01:24:50,910 --> 01:24:49,300
step on you there no and I don't have

1743
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:50,920
any insider knowledge let me preface it

1744
01:24:58,350 --> 01:24:52,810
by saying this is a genuine question who

1745
01:25:00,750 --> 01:24:58,360
says they're not right I know I know

1746
01:25:02,850 --> 01:25:00,760
isn't that isn't that bizarre

1747
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:02,860
yeah and and I think that a lot of

1748
01:25:06,089 --> 01:25:04,239
people say well they're they're they're

1749
01:25:06,689 --> 01:25:06,099
they're showing it and nothing has

1750
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:06,699
happened yet

1751
01:25:10,649 --> 01:25:09,250
well mr. Elizondo and his interviews has

1752
01:25:13,020 --> 01:25:10,659
said multiple times the government's

1753
01:25:14,399 --> 01:25:13,030
very slow with what they do so it is

1754
01:25:15,810 --> 01:25:14,409
quite possible that there is an

1755
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:15,820
investigation a lot of times these

1756
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:17,920
things I mean I do a lot of Freedom of

1757
01:25:23,310 --> 01:25:20,650
Information Act requests for Inspector

1758
01:25:26,220 --> 01:25:23,320
General records and I can tell you

1759
01:25:28,830 --> 01:25:26,230
inspector general investigations they

1760
01:25:32,010 --> 01:25:28,840
sometimes last years you know and and so

1761
01:25:34,350 --> 01:25:32,020
it it's not like they they find out that

1762
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:34,360
you know these videos aired on Monday on

1763
01:25:38,250 --> 01:25:36,010
the History Channel they weren't

1764
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:38,260
supposed to so on Tuesday they're making

1765
01:25:42,089 --> 01:25:40,000
phone calls and getting stuff done I

1766
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:42,099
mean granted if it was a highly

1767
01:25:48,330 --> 01:25:45,250
secretive highly classified document or

1768
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:48,340
video sure yeah maybe but something like

1769
01:25:53,609 --> 01:25:51,010
this where let's just say that DD Form

1770
01:25:55,530 --> 01:25:53,619
1910 was was accurate and they're

1771
01:25:57,660 --> 01:25:55,540
showing balloons yeah technically they

1772
01:25:59,700 --> 01:25:57,670
weren't cleared for public release but

1773
01:26:01,290 --> 01:25:59,710
the US government has to weigh something

1774
01:26:03,959 --> 01:26:01,300
and again I don't have any insider

1775
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:03,969
knowledge here this is a guess but the

1776
01:26:09,540 --> 01:26:06,489
government has to weigh one of the most

1777
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:09,550
important aspects to this which is do

1778
01:26:14,879 --> 01:26:12,310
you want to chance turning mr. Elizondo

1779
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:14,889
into a martyr that let's say he really

1780
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:18,400
did I'm in the hypothetical here if he

1781
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:20,050
really did do something wrong and there

1782
01:26:23,890 --> 01:26:22,480
was something shady and they snuck these

1783
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:23,900
videos out they got these vid

1784
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:26,480
under false pretense and they they put

1785
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:29,450
him out there you have an army of people

1786
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:31,520
that support him for that they don't

1787
01:26:36,250 --> 01:26:33,440
care that he said they're UAVs or

1788
01:26:38,110 --> 01:26:36,260
balloons or drones or whatever they

1789
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:38,120
think they're you ApS or UFOs they very

1790
01:26:43,810 --> 01:26:40,310
well may be but that's their mindset and

1791
01:26:46,420 --> 01:26:43,820
Elizondo is a hero if that investigation

1792
01:26:48,370 --> 01:26:46,430
then concludes look we've got a we've

1793
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:48,380
got to take action here what's gonna

1794
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:49,760
happen do you think that army of people

1795
01:26:52,990 --> 01:26:52,130
is just gonna go oh man that guy really

1796
01:26:55,090 --> 01:26:53,000
did do something wrong

1797
01:26:57,730 --> 01:26:55,100
oh shucks I really believed them know

1798
01:26:59,740 --> 01:26:57,740
they're gonna be loud and noisy I mean

1799
01:27:02,380 --> 01:26:59,750
look at what happened to Julian Assange

1800
01:27:04,150 --> 01:27:02,390
with the public outcry it's gonna happen

1801
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:04,160
that's exactly what's gonna happen and

1802
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:07,760
it's gonna if you know what is

1803
01:27:14,410 --> 01:27:11,450
ultimately going to be the message yeah

1804
01:27:16,030 --> 01:27:14,420
they have to weigh that because turning

1805
01:27:18,340 --> 01:27:16,040
him into a martyr can potentially do

1806
01:27:19,540 --> 01:27:18,350
more damage than not so again I'm

1807
01:27:22,570 --> 01:27:19,550
playing hypotheticals here I'm not

1808
01:27:24,580 --> 01:27:22,580
placing a legal accusation but it's it's

1809
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:24,590
an important factor that I think anyone

1810
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:27,530
with a logical mind has to consider that

1811
01:27:32,290 --> 01:27:30,080
either number one they are investigating

1812
01:27:34,270 --> 01:27:32,300
and we have not seen the result yet or

1813
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:34,280
number two they have investigated and

1814
01:27:38,350 --> 01:27:36,770
they realized we can't do anything

1815
01:27:41,290 --> 01:27:38,360
because if we do we were gonna have an

1816
01:27:44,230 --> 01:27:41,300
army of UFO people that instead of storm

1817
01:27:45,700 --> 01:27:44,240
area 51 it's gonna be storm the Pentagon

1818
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:45,710
and they're gonna have a bigger issue

1819
01:27:49,420 --> 01:27:47,600
right and they have to they have to

1820
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:49,430
consider that I can already hear it

1821
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:52,610
they took Ella they're taking Elizondo

1822
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:54,890
down man because he was he was speaking

1823
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:56,930
the truth you know he was doing three

1824
01:28:01,240 --> 01:27:59,360
out there yeah I know I can no I mean

1825
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:01,250
already right now it's been said for

1826
01:28:05,740 --> 01:28:03,650
since June first since then since that

1827
01:28:08,970 --> 01:28:05,750
dropped since since the Pentagon took

1828
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:08,980
that shot and said no he he didn't and

1829
01:28:14,770 --> 01:28:12,560
and to go back to the bender thing no no

1830
01:28:16,300 --> 01:28:14,780
I gotta take a break right now so let's

1831
01:28:17,710 --> 01:28:16,310
do that we'll be right back we'll get

1832
01:28:20,440 --> 01:28:17,720
back to bender after this short break

1833
01:28:22,700 --> 01:28:20,450
our guest John Greenwald the black vault

1834
01:28:37,149 --> 01:28:22,710
stay with us

1835
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:39,729
welcome back fade to black

1836
01:28:47,540 --> 01:28:45,199
talking about disinformation the CIA

1837
01:28:52,580 --> 01:28:47,550
Department of Defense National

1838
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:52,590
counterintelligence agents what is going

1839
01:28:58,160 --> 01:28:55,440
on now we started to talk welcome back

1840
01:28:59,919 --> 01:28:58,170
John about a Brian bender right before

1841
01:29:03,290 --> 01:28:59,929
the break let's get back to your point

1842
01:29:03,500 --> 01:29:03,300
yeah it I think where I was going with

1843
01:29:04,669 --> 01:29:03,510
that

1844
01:29:06,410 --> 01:29:04,679
I'd lost my train of thought with the

1845
01:29:09,050 --> 01:29:06,420
break but you know he did he deleted

1846
01:29:11,899 --> 01:29:09,060
that tweet promising an additional

1847
01:29:15,530 --> 01:29:11,909
updated statement from the Pentagon and

1848
01:29:17,870 --> 01:29:15,540
a retraction and when you add that on

1849
01:29:20,359 --> 01:29:17,880
top of the statements that the Pentagon

1850
01:29:21,770 --> 01:29:20,369
has given about the videos and it starts

1851
01:29:23,689 --> 01:29:21,780
to paint a picture that we haven't been

1852
01:29:25,939 --> 01:29:23,699
told the truth they quite possibly the

1853
01:29:27,649 --> 01:29:25,949
media was wrong and I'm gonna be fair I

1854
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:27,659
can't believe I'm saying this to the

1855
01:29:32,510 --> 01:29:30,210
media because a lot of this is very

1856
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:32,520
tough to understand right I mean we we

1857
01:29:37,729 --> 01:29:34,170
just don't all have the knowledge about

1858
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:37,739
DD form 1910s and the doppler process

1859
01:29:41,780 --> 01:29:40,530
and and positions within the government

1860
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:41,790
this that and the other thing I think

1861
01:29:44,540 --> 01:29:42,810
they could have vetted a little bit

1862
01:29:47,149 --> 01:29:44,550
better it sounds like but I but I want

1863
01:29:48,879 --> 01:29:47,159
to be somewhat fair but as time goes on

1864
01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:48,889
and all of this stuff comes to light

1865
01:29:53,839 --> 01:29:51,230
these journalists that did these

1866
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:53,849
articles not only in December of 2017

1867
01:29:57,589 --> 01:29:55,650
not only New York Times of Politico vote

1868
01:30:00,760 --> 01:29:57,599
but literally hundreds and hundreds of

1869
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:00,770
hundreds of organizations they praise

1870
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:04,170
pentagon statements and yet now we have

1871
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:06,480
Pentagon statements that are putting

1872
01:30:12,140 --> 01:30:09,330
more information out there and it's that

1873
01:30:15,500 --> 01:30:12,150
selective reporting and I I mean I I

1874
01:30:17,390 --> 01:30:15,510
don't fully blame one side or the other

1875
01:30:19,459 --> 01:30:17,400
I think the media really needs to

1876
01:30:23,050 --> 01:30:19,469
however be on the top of the list as

1877
01:30:25,850 --> 01:30:23,060
being part of the problem here and that

1878
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:25,860
they are not asking the right questions

1879
01:30:30,350 --> 01:30:27,810
or if they make a mistake

1880
01:30:33,169 --> 01:30:30,360
they're not doing the right thing and

1881
01:30:35,450 --> 01:30:33,179
issuing a correction and and Brian

1882
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:35,460
bender not only deleting the tweet I had

1883
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:37,170
wrote the article I reached out to him

1884
01:30:43,970 --> 01:30:41,010
for comment and and he he refused he

1885
01:30:45,589 --> 01:30:43,980
responded but he refused to comment on

1886
01:30:48,140 --> 01:30:45,599
why he deleted the tweet he had not

1887
01:30:49,940 --> 01:30:48,150
blocked me at that point and and he

1888
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:49,950
refused to comment so I put that in

1889
01:30:55,940 --> 01:30:53,130
my article but why would you just ignore

1890
01:30:58,370 --> 01:30:55,950
all of this when the statement comes out

1891
01:31:00,680 --> 01:30:58,380
that their new UFO guidelines who was

1892
01:31:01,910 --> 01:31:00,690
the first to break that story Brian

1893
01:31:05,150 --> 01:31:01,920
bender mm-hmm

1894
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:05,160
so it's like when it goes against what

1895
01:31:09,470 --> 01:31:06,960
you believe or what you've been that the

1896
01:31:11,060 --> 01:31:09,480
line you've been touting it's squashed

1897
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:11,070
you're a conspiracy theorist and I'm

1898
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:12,570
gonna block you if you forward that

1899
01:31:16,190 --> 01:31:14,970
statement out and yet when it goes to

1900
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:16,200
something that's going to get hits and

1901
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:20,010
clicks like a UFO flashy headline it's

1902
01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:21,810
it's run on the front page of Politico

1903
01:31:25,940 --> 01:31:24,450
by Brian bender so that that's the stuff

1904
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:25,950
that doesn't make sense to me and I'm

1905
01:31:29,530 --> 01:31:28,080
not one to tease and I'm not gonna tease

1906
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:29,540
but I do want to tell you really quickly

1907
01:31:34,340 --> 01:31:32,130
that recently I received under the

1908
01:31:37,100 --> 01:31:34,350
Freedom of Information Act through a

1909
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:37,110
request I did from the Department of

1910
01:31:42,610 --> 01:31:40,050
Navy all of the emails from the press

1911
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:42,620
office within the Department of Navy and

1912
01:31:47,300 --> 01:31:45,120
how they communicated they meaning the

1913
01:31:48,020 --> 01:31:47,310
Navy with the media about these

1914
01:31:51,290 --> 01:31:48,030
quote-unquote

1915
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:51,300
UFO guidelines within that although his

1916
01:31:56,180 --> 01:31:53,970
name was redacted but it says within the

1917
01:31:59,300 --> 01:31:56,190
content of the email here is my article

1918
01:32:02,330 --> 01:31:59,310
from December of 2017 and links to Brian

1919
01:32:05,540 --> 01:32:02,340
benders political article he was aware

1920
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:05,550
of the UFO guidelines in February that

1921
01:32:09,470 --> 01:32:07,890
he was communicating with them and I was

1922
01:32:11,450 --> 01:32:09,480
able to get all of these documents under

1923
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:11,460
the Freedom of Information Act and I'm

1924
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:12,810
here to tell you it is really

1925
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:15,090
interesting to see the headlines not

1926
01:32:18,830 --> 01:32:16,410
only by bender because I don't want to

1927
01:32:21,620 --> 01:32:18,840
just pick on him but but by the media

1928
01:32:23,630 --> 01:32:21,630
about those UFO guidelines and you kind

1929
01:32:26,090 --> 01:32:23,640
of juxtapose that with what the media

1930
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:26,100
actually told them and it's really

1931
01:32:32,150 --> 01:32:29,250
interesting to see how kind of slanted

1932
01:32:34,340 --> 01:32:32,160
the media is to make a flashy UFO

1933
01:32:36,350 --> 01:32:34,350
headline which actually has nothing to

1934
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:36,360
do with what the the Navy was was

1935
01:32:41,270 --> 01:32:39,030
stating officially now I am an advocate

1936
01:32:43,130 --> 01:32:41,280
for the record I am an advocate for for

1937
01:32:44,630 --> 01:32:43,140
further UFO study I believe the

1938
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:44,640
government military should be in on this

1939
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:46,290
and I believe there has been an active

1940
01:32:51,290 --> 01:32:48,810
cover-up for for many decades but in the

1941
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:51,300
same respect I have to be logical and I

1942
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:53,610
have to be truthful when I look into

1943
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:55,650
this and when I see that the media is

1944
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:57,840
being told X and then they make this

1945
01:33:02,450 --> 01:33:00,960
flashy headline about why it doesn't

1946
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:02,460
make sense to me and I think that they

1947
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:03,840
need to be called out I

1948
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:06,090
really do and if they want to block me

1949
01:33:11,330 --> 01:33:08,130
like Brian bender blocked me for

1950
01:33:13,730 --> 01:33:11,340
forwarding out a Pentagon statement go

1951
01:33:15,350 --> 01:33:13,740
ahead but sadly when people start to

1952
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:15,360
wake up and look at the actual reality

1953
01:33:20,150 --> 01:33:18,090
here all of the red flags that you and I

1954
01:33:25,550 --> 01:33:20,160
have been talking about start to make

1955
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:25,560
sense what do we do with okay you know

1956
01:33:30,260 --> 01:33:27,210
like going down the rabbit hole but what

1957
01:33:34,690 --> 01:33:30,270
do we do with the suggestion that I had

1958
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:34,700
earlier if if semi van takes over a CEO

1959
01:33:39,230 --> 01:33:37,440
DeLong goes off to angel and airwaves

1960
01:33:41,780 --> 01:33:39,240
and he goes on to her and he's doing his

1961
01:33:45,110 --> 01:33:41,790
thing and now he's removed from t TSA

1962
01:33:49,340 --> 01:33:45,120
and semi van takes over and they come

1963
01:33:52,130 --> 01:33:49,350
out with season two of unidentified is

1964
01:33:54,650 --> 01:33:52,140
that a CIA production at that is there

1965
01:34:00,230 --> 01:33:54,660
any other way to perceive that other

1966
01:34:02,930 --> 01:34:00,240
than project Mockingbird I mean it's a I

1967
01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:02,940
think you want to restrict what I know

1968
01:34:06,530 --> 01:34:04,710
it's not that much of a stretch though

1969
01:34:08,540 --> 01:34:06,540
it's not that much of a stretch but

1970
01:34:11,930 --> 01:34:08,550
having worked for any networks and how

1971
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:11,940
they operate I I don't think T TSA as an

1972
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:14,130
organization or corporation had a lot of

1973
01:34:18,890 --> 01:34:16,800
say in the television series I think

1974
01:34:20,750 --> 01:34:18,900
maybe partially and I think that

1975
01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:20,760
potentially they obviously gave a lot of

1976
01:34:25,070 --> 01:34:23,760
the content but any networks I want to

1977
01:34:27,650 --> 01:34:25,080
give credit to them I mean they produce

1978
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:27,660
their own stuff in regards to a season

1979
01:34:31,940 --> 01:34:29,370
two they have to deal with the big pink

1980
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:31,950
elephant in the room even though T TSA

1981
01:34:35,810 --> 01:34:34,170
doesn't want to and that pink elephant

1982
01:34:38,060 --> 01:34:35,820
is the fact that the star of their show

1983
01:34:40,670 --> 01:34:38,070
has a pentagon statement against his

1984
01:34:44,630 --> 01:34:40,680
name stating that his claims in that

1985
01:34:46,130 --> 01:34:44,640
show are not true right so any networks

1986
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:46,140
let's let's get away from the whole UFO

1987
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:48,480
debate any networks is no stranger to

1988
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:51,930
controversy and nor is any network I'm

1989
01:34:55,610 --> 01:34:54,000
not picking on them but they're no no

1990
01:34:59,180 --> 01:34:55,620
stranger to controversy about television

1991
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:59,190
hosts oftentimes criminal records come

1992
01:35:03,740 --> 01:35:01,920
up somebody tweets out something bad I

1993
01:35:06,350 --> 01:35:03,750
mean like all sorts of things have

1994
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:06,360
happened over the years I can tell you

1995
01:35:10,970 --> 01:35:08,370
when the last shows that I've done for

1996
01:35:13,540 --> 01:35:10,980
them in the nonfiction arena there's no

1997
01:35:16,250 --> 01:35:13,550
way I can put a doctor so-and-so on

1998
01:35:17,300 --> 01:35:16,260
camera if there is no evidence to

1999
01:35:20,060 --> 01:35:17,310
support that he

2000
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:20,070
is a doctor right you that the whole

2001
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:22,170
point of nonfiction is to stay truthful

2002
01:35:27,770 --> 01:35:24,810
and you can't start fictionalizing

2003
01:35:29,930 --> 01:35:27,780
people the same is true with these types

2004
01:35:31,340 --> 01:35:29,940
of you know reality type shows even

2005
01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:31,350
though they don't want that spin on it

2006
01:35:37,250 --> 01:35:34,080
it's a reality show it's UFO Hunters 2.0

2007
01:35:40,820 --> 01:35:37,260
and I was a producer on that it's it's

2008
01:35:42,980 --> 01:35:40,830
the same formula and you know I mean I'm

2009
01:35:46,370 --> 01:35:42,990
I'm proud of the episodes that I did of

2010
01:35:48,110 --> 01:35:46,380
UFO Hunters and when you compare it yeah

2011
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:48,120
I mean it's it's a lot newer and there's

2012
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:49,920
cooler graphics and the editing is

2013
01:35:55,490 --> 01:35:52,890
flashy ER but I mean go look at some old

2014
01:35:57,440 --> 01:35:55,500
episodes of UFO Hunters you've got the

2015
01:36:00,050 --> 01:35:57,450
notebook in the field just like mr.

2016
01:36:02,180 --> 01:36:00,060
elizondo's taking notes you have pet pad

2017
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:02,190
uh skirt with the backpack just like mr.

2018
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:04,890
Elizondo and unidentified you've got so

2019
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:07,130
many things that from a television

2020
01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:09,090
entertainment aspect of production

2021
01:36:13,790 --> 01:36:12,450
aspect this has been done before so with

2022
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:13,800
all of that being said there's not a

2023
01:36:18,740 --> 01:36:16,290
whole lot new here except the cast of

2024
01:36:20,990 --> 01:36:18,750
characters and and in season two if

2025
01:36:24,500 --> 01:36:21,000
there is one they need to address that

2026
01:36:26,690 --> 01:36:24,510
they need to figure out a way to counter

2027
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:26,700
the Pentagon statement and either get a

2028
01:36:31,580 --> 01:36:29,280
retraction or at least publish something

2029
01:36:34,730 --> 01:36:31,590
that does not put the doubt out there

2030
01:36:37,970 --> 01:36:34,740
until they do that I'm gonna take a

2031
01:36:43,630 --> 01:36:37,980
guess and say there will be no season

2032
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:43,640
two I'm looking here the reason why I

2033
01:36:55,220 --> 01:36:52,320
bring it up is that there are those that

2034
01:36:57,710 --> 01:36:55,230
are always going to say well you can say

2035
01:37:00,710 --> 01:36:57,720
what you want about T TSA and the CIA

2036
01:37:02,630 --> 01:37:00,720
but they got it done they got the UFO

2037
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:02,640
question out there in the public and I'm

2038
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:05,010
okay with that I don't care how it was

2039
01:37:14,330 --> 01:37:09,840
done my my point to anybody that says

2040
01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:14,340
that is missing what I am trying to say

2041
01:37:22,940 --> 01:37:16,800
and we may disagree at once again on

2042
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:22,950
this John but it's not that it is what

2043
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:27,210
is the message and why that's the key

2044
01:37:30,580 --> 01:37:29,520
here what is it that they are putting

2045
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:30,590
the spin on

2046
01:37:37,300 --> 01:37:34,850
and why it's do not get blinded by this

2047
01:37:39,550 --> 01:37:37,310
and go hey it's okay it's okay

2048
01:37:42,670 --> 01:37:39,560
the the UFO question has beat aids it's

2049
01:37:46,330 --> 01:37:42,680
why what what is the message that they

2050
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:46,340
are projecting on the rest of the world

2051
01:37:51,730 --> 01:37:49,130
and that is that is what is key here

2052
01:37:52,810 --> 01:37:51,740
isn't it and it absolutely is and in

2053
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:52,820
fact I don't think we were gonna

2054
01:38:01,180 --> 01:37:56,210
disagree much on this point but I I kind

2055
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:01,190
of will add that I in the short term and

2056
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:03,410
I actually did a Facebook post and on

2057
01:38:07,330 --> 01:38:05,330
social media and kind of a tweet thread

2058
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:07,340
on this very thing today earlier this

2059
01:38:12,550 --> 01:38:10,610
morning and that was I look at the long

2060
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:12,560
term I mean I've been around this field

2061
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:14,690
for 23 years I know you've been around a

2062
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:17,090
long time as well and we've seen a lot

2063
01:38:21,490 --> 01:38:19,010
of charlatans come and go we've seen a

2064
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:21,500
lot of claims come and go alien mummies

2065
01:38:25,480 --> 01:38:23,570
come to mind right and I don't know what

2066
01:38:28,150 --> 01:38:25,490
your thoughts are on it but sorry but in

2067
01:38:31,060 --> 01:38:28,160
my mind and that that's what comes up we

2068
01:38:33,820 --> 01:38:31,070
see a lot of these outlandish claims in

2069
01:38:36,340 --> 01:38:33,830
the short term it gets a lot of media

2070
01:38:38,650 --> 01:38:36,350
attention is that good in my opinion no

2071
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:38,660
but to a lot of the newcomers that have

2072
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:40,970
come around right the the millennial

2073
01:38:46,090 --> 01:38:43,850
target that the TSA says they're

2074
01:38:47,380 --> 01:38:46,100
targeting the Millennials they have only

2075
01:38:50,290 --> 01:38:47,390
come around for the last year and a half

2076
01:38:52,330 --> 01:38:50,300
or so they see Tom DeLonge hey I grew up

2077
01:38:55,630 --> 01:38:52,340
with listening to his music I'm a fan of

2078
01:38:57,490 --> 01:38:55,640
his music they see that they don't have

2079
01:38:59,770 --> 01:38:57,500
the experience of seeing these

2080
01:39:03,190 --> 01:38:59,780
charlatans come and go which paves the

2081
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:03,200
way and makes us have the requirement of

2082
01:39:06,910 --> 01:39:05,360
asking questions we need to ask the

2083
01:39:09,220 --> 01:39:06,920
questions they can have easy answers

2084
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:09,230
I've always said that but we need to ask

2085
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:12,050
and so you've got this growing number of

2086
01:39:15,010 --> 01:39:13,010
people I don't know if it's growing

2087
01:39:17,020 --> 01:39:15,020
anymore but you have this number of

2088
01:39:19,530 --> 01:39:17,030
people that haven't had that experience

2089
01:39:22,030 --> 01:39:19,540
yet and so when I look at the long term

2090
01:39:24,420 --> 01:39:22,040
the media attention right now it doesn't

2091
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:24,430
mean anything because the media turns on

2092
01:39:30,250 --> 01:39:27,440
stories eventually that if these wild

2093
01:39:32,740 --> 01:39:30,260
outlandish claims by T TSA that got the

2094
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:32,750
headlines if they stay stagnant right

2095
01:39:38,620 --> 01:39:36,320
and they lose credibility the media is

2096
01:39:40,660 --> 01:39:38,630
not going to keep profiling them so

2097
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:40,670
we've already seen the the the steam

2098
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:42,560
kind of come out of the momentum we've

2099
01:39:46,190 --> 01:39:43,890
we've seen that there

2100
01:39:48,050 --> 01:39:46,200
just not a whole lot of headlines the

2101
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:48,060
headlines that are coming out now that

2102
01:39:55,700 --> 01:39:51,440
deal with TTS a one I posted today from

2103
01:39:57,800 --> 01:39:55,710
IFL science which is a you know I mean

2104
01:40:00,800 --> 01:39:57,810
it's a fairly popular website you want

2105
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:00,810
them on your side to put out scientific

2106
01:40:05,330 --> 01:40:03,600
related information about UFOs and they

2107
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:05,340
essentially made it kind of a laughing

2108
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:08,850
stock that they profile TTS A's press

2109
01:40:12,980 --> 01:40:11,010
release and that there was essentially

2110
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:12,990
nothing to it and I recommend everybody

2111
01:40:17,740 --> 01:40:15,570
to go read that because they're not the

2112
01:40:21,020 --> 01:40:17,750
only ones that are publishing these now

2113
01:40:23,540 --> 01:40:21,030
somewhat scathing pieces kind of poking

2114
01:40:26,300 --> 01:40:23,550
fun and okay it's two years have gone by

2115
01:40:28,130 --> 01:40:26,310
you know kind of put up or shut up kind

2116
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:28,140
of thing and we're seeing that more and

2117
01:40:32,540 --> 01:40:30,090
more so that's what I mean by the big

2118
01:40:36,140 --> 01:40:32,550
picture that can hurt the credibility of

2119
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:36,150
a field that deserves attention well

2120
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:37,770
this field deserves it and they're not

2121
01:40:42,230 --> 01:40:40,170
doing it any favors by what they have

2122
01:40:44,540 --> 01:40:42,240
done in the last year and a half where

2123
01:40:46,420 --> 01:40:44,550
for the most part where is that article

2124
01:40:48,530 --> 01:40:46,430
that you're talking about on the vault

2125
01:40:49,490 --> 01:40:48,540
so well you'd have to go to my Twitter

2126
01:40:52,700 --> 01:40:49,500
page because I I don't

2127
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:52,710
it's I linked out to IFL science if

2128
01:40:57,170 --> 01:40:53,850
you're familiar with that IFL

2129
01:40:59,600 --> 01:40:57,180
science.com yeah I can't say the full

2130
01:41:03,440 --> 01:40:59,610
term I'll get you FCC violation but yeah

2131
01:41:05,570 --> 01:41:03,450
I FL science.com and I've linked it on

2132
01:41:07,310 --> 01:41:05,580
my Twitter page that you can go out

2133
01:41:09,710 --> 01:41:07,320
there and read my thread that's attached

2134
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:09,720
to it but if you if you go there and

2135
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:12,000
read it I mean they and and I didn't

2136
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:13,920
talk to the to the journalist by the way

2137
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:15,210
and I'm not bringing it up for this

2138
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:17,730
reason my tweet ended up in this article

2139
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:20,250
showing the malachite and showing kind

2140
01:41:24,770 --> 01:41:22,730
of how silly their visuals are going

2141
01:41:27,170 --> 01:41:24,780
along with these quote-unquote

2142
01:41:28,850 --> 01:41:27,180
scientific announcements and so I I

2143
01:41:31,370 --> 01:41:28,860
didn't plan that I didn't know it I was

2144
01:41:34,130 --> 01:41:31,380
just kind of surprised when I saw it

2145
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:34,140
this morning but even if I wasn't in it

2146
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:37,050
I'd point you to it because it shows

2147
01:41:41,690 --> 01:41:39,840
that shift in the bigger picture and if

2148
01:41:43,730 --> 01:41:41,700
something doesn't drastically change if

2149
01:41:47,060 --> 01:41:43,740
we don't start to clean up some of this

2150
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:47,070
mess a little bit people that are really

2151
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:50,010
out there with genuine intentions with

2152
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:52,770
UFO information and scientific anomalies

2153
01:41:57,140 --> 01:41:54,690
and maybe they have a piece of something

2154
01:41:57,560 --> 01:41:57,150
that deserves scrutiny they're going to

2155
01:42:00,020 --> 01:41:57,570
be laughs

2156
01:42:02,569 --> 01:42:00,030
that in the future just simply because

2157
01:42:05,569 --> 01:42:02,579
of the amount of attention that this got

2158
01:42:08,359 --> 01:42:05,579
in the last year and a half but to have

2159
01:42:10,850 --> 01:42:08,369
it dwindled down to being a joke to a

2160
01:42:13,850 --> 01:42:10,860
growing number of outlets that's

2161
01:42:18,050 --> 01:42:13,860
problematic when you end your television

2162
01:42:19,609 --> 01:42:18,060
series with a UFO case in Italy that has

2163
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:19,619
largely been debunked

2164
01:42:24,890 --> 01:42:22,560
you're losing credibility not only as in

2165
01:42:26,930 --> 01:42:24,900
an organization but whether they like it

2166
01:42:29,450 --> 01:42:26,940
or not they are attached to what they

2167
01:42:31,399 --> 01:42:29,460
don't want to be attached to and that is

2168
01:42:33,410 --> 01:42:31,409
the UFO community they're just attached

2169
01:42:35,930 --> 01:42:33,420
to it so they shouldn't be surprised

2170
01:42:38,209 --> 01:42:35,940
when people are passionate and they come

2171
01:42:40,609 --> 01:42:38,219
after their press releases and their

2172
01:42:43,459 --> 01:42:40,619
silly visuals and they come after that

2173
01:42:44,930 --> 01:42:43,469
and say you guys need to stop and I

2174
01:42:47,450 --> 01:42:44,940
think that there is a growing number of

2175
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:47,460
people that are starting to realize they

2176
01:42:53,689 --> 01:42:50,159
need to stop if they have something it's

2177
01:42:55,729 --> 01:42:53,699
time to work together to make this

2178
01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:55,739
something because I've put the offer out

2179
01:42:59,560 --> 01:42:57,449
there if they have a scientific

2180
01:43:02,240 --> 01:42:59,570
breakthrough I will help them

2181
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,250
disseminate the press release right I'm

2182
01:43:08,859 --> 01:43:04,560
not New York Times but I can reach quite

2183
01:43:13,310 --> 01:43:08,869
a few people on yep so I'll help right

2184
01:43:17,780 --> 01:43:13,320
I'd be I would be so I would be like I'm

2185
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:17,790
the first person to to report good news

2186
01:43:25,790 --> 01:43:22,560
and you know on December 17th 2017 that

2187
01:43:29,060 --> 01:43:25,800
Saturday I i'm one i broadcast it live

2188
01:43:32,450 --> 01:43:29,070
that night days of disclosure that was a

2189
01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:32,460
big deal to me i have no problems with

2190
01:43:40,540 --> 01:43:36,000
that i wanted i want to get back to a

2191
01:43:45,319 --> 01:43:44,330
which is this and again not to harp on

2192
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:45,329
Elizondo

2193
01:43:52,609 --> 01:43:48,090
but when i look at their website now

2194
01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:52,619
where it says he was the program element

2195
01:44:01,220 --> 01:43:57,690
manager for a tip no longer the director

2196
01:44:03,140 --> 01:44:01,230
of a tip which has been everywhere when

2197
01:44:07,850 --> 01:44:03,150
did they make this change and what is a

2198
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:07,860
program element manager well i want to

2199
01:44:11,419 --> 01:44:09,570
be fair i don't know offhand if they

2200
01:44:13,489 --> 01:44:11,429
change the verbiage on their website

2201
01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:13,499
you know offhand if they did I'm looking

2202
01:44:18,399 --> 01:44:15,449
at way I'm looking at it right here it

2203
01:44:21,290 --> 01:44:18,409
says program element manager for a tip

2204
01:44:25,310 --> 01:44:21,300
but they it formally said their director

2205
01:44:27,290 --> 01:44:25,320
because I don't know that okay not okay

2206
01:44:30,259 --> 01:44:27,300
I can't speak as a fact for their

2207
01:44:34,779 --> 01:44:30,269
website yeah but we know that in every

2208
01:44:38,540 --> 01:44:34,789
press release every every every article

2209
01:44:42,799 --> 01:44:38,550
Fox television he was always director of

2210
01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:42,809
a tip well I know that that's what he's

2211
01:44:46,219 --> 01:44:44,729
definitely said I mean and again I'm not

2212
01:44:47,929 --> 01:44:46,229
arguing the point I just don't want to

2213
01:44:49,279 --> 01:44:47,939
give the false impression that they've

2214
01:44:51,379 --> 01:44:49,289
changed their verbiage I'm not sure I'm

2215
01:44:55,279 --> 01:44:51,389
in wayback machine trying to quickly

2216
01:44:56,899 --> 01:44:55,289
fact check this so that being said

2217
01:45:00,109 --> 01:44:56,909
though I I don't think that they've

2218
01:45:01,819 --> 01:45:00,119
changed who or what he is to be honest

2219
01:45:03,709 --> 01:45:01,829
with you I expected a any networks to

2220
01:45:05,660 --> 01:45:03,719
put a disclaimer at the beginning of of

2221
01:45:08,779 --> 01:45:05,670
unidentified because unidentified had

2222
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:08,789
just started that Friday one day prior

2223
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:10,880
to the intercept article coming out and

2224
01:45:16,879 --> 01:45:14,010
I thought that I would see a slate that

2225
01:45:20,179 --> 01:45:16,889
that would say something you know just

2226
01:45:23,089 --> 01:45:20,189
kind of removing a any networks from the

2227
01:45:24,620 --> 01:45:23,099
claims and that never happened as far as

2228
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:24,630
I know they are still maintaining that

2229
01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:27,119
this that that he was the quote-unquote

2230
01:45:31,399 --> 01:45:29,130
director and the one that was

2231
01:45:34,879 --> 01:45:31,409
responsible I did get a statement from

2232
01:45:37,819 --> 01:45:34,889
dr. Hal put off when I wrote the article

2233
01:45:40,370 --> 01:45:37,829
about the 2009 Harry Reid letter because

2234
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:40,380
that was a additional statement I didn't

2235
01:45:44,359 --> 01:45:42,239
get that original one by the way for the

2236
01:45:45,709 --> 01:45:44,369
record for anybody who's listening that

2237
01:45:48,140 --> 01:45:45,719
one that was published by the intercept

2238
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:48,150
that caught me by surprise just like

2239
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:50,639
everyone else so I did not receive that

2240
01:45:55,429 --> 01:45:52,320
I was just only able to independently

2241
01:45:57,589 --> 01:45:55,439
verify it after with the Pentagon to

2242
01:46:00,410 --> 01:45:57,599
make sure that it was all legitimate but

2243
01:46:01,879 --> 01:46:00,420
that being said when I had done the 2009

2244
01:46:05,299 --> 01:46:01,889
Harry Reid letter and they said that

2245
01:46:08,359 --> 01:46:05,309
that did not change their stance the

2246
01:46:11,179 --> 01:46:08,369
only one that would respond to me was

2247
01:46:15,259 --> 01:46:11,189
dr. Hal put off and he had said that he

2248
01:46:18,469 --> 01:46:15,269
had essentially worked with mr. Elizondo

2249
01:46:21,319 --> 01:46:18,479
under his leadership of the program when

2250
01:46:23,899 --> 01:46:21,329
he was contracted by bass through

2251
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:23,909
Bigelow Aerospace what I tried to get

2252
01:46:27,610 --> 01:46:24,970
him to

2253
01:46:29,770 --> 01:46:27,620
address because this is a very important

2254
01:46:34,180 --> 01:46:29,780
point that I think is very underlooked

2255
01:46:37,480 --> 01:46:34,190
at this point I as far as I know unless

2256
01:46:39,850 --> 01:46:37,490
he wants to go on the record 2008-2009

2257
01:46:42,130 --> 01:46:39,860
was when ha SAP was at Defense

2258
01:46:44,410 --> 01:46:42,140
Intelligence Agency and that was where

2259
01:46:47,380 --> 01:46:44,420
bass had contracted to work that was

2260
01:46:49,630 --> 01:46:47,390
called a SAP aw snap then led to a tip

2261
01:46:53,140 --> 01:46:49,640
and that was transferred according to

2262
01:46:54,340 --> 01:46:53,150
Mister Elizondo story in 2010 dr. put

2263
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:54,350
off would have never worked under

2264
01:46:58,900 --> 01:46:56,810
elizondo's leadership unless he wants to

2265
01:47:01,960 --> 01:46:58,910
go on the record and say bass was then

2266
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:01,970
involved with another agency under

2267
01:47:08,380 --> 01:47:05,840
another program and this is another

2268
01:47:10,050 --> 01:47:08,390
mucky part of the water which I again I

2269
01:47:12,820 --> 01:47:10,060
think is a very important point

2270
01:47:16,090 --> 01:47:12,830
dr. putt-off describes a tip as a

2271
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:16,100
nickname for OSAP so he says that they

2272
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:19,850
are the same program ironically major

2273
01:47:25,060 --> 01:47:21,770
Audria harris in a statement from the

2274
01:47:27,100 --> 01:47:25,070
pentagon back in early 2018 pretty much

2275
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:27,110
said the same thing so they aligned with

2276
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:29,930
how they described a tip however mr.

2277
01:47:35,620 --> 01:47:32,930
Elizondo stressed in one of his lectures

2278
01:47:38,380 --> 01:47:35,630
that a tip was a completely different

2279
01:47:40,540 --> 01:47:38,390
program than a set and he says that he

2280
01:47:41,980 --> 01:47:40,550
never brought up awesome because he was

2281
01:47:44,140 --> 01:47:41,990
under a little bit of fire from people

2282
01:47:46,330 --> 01:47:44,150
for not bringing that up and giving

2283
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:46,340
proper background I defended him and I

2284
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:47,810
think it was actually on your show when

2285
01:47:51,460 --> 01:47:49,850
I did it but but that being said I

2286
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:51,470
thought you know hey if he wasn't part

2287
01:47:54,820 --> 01:47:53,930
of it and this is a different program he

2288
01:47:56,740 --> 01:47:54,830
doesn't have to give the whole

2289
01:47:58,510 --> 01:47:56,750
background to the entire United States

2290
01:48:00,730 --> 01:47:58,520
government so cut him some slack

2291
01:48:03,790 --> 01:48:00,740
and I think it was your show that I did

2292
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:03,800
that however when he says that it's a

2293
01:48:08,530 --> 01:48:06,770
completely different program I had

2294
01:48:10,510 --> 01:48:08,540
written about that discrepancy because

2295
01:48:13,690 --> 01:48:10,520
to me as someone who researches this

2296
01:48:15,310 --> 01:48:13,700
stuff kind of for a living that's an

2297
01:48:16,630 --> 01:48:15,320
important point when one person is

2298
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:16,640
saying it's just a nickname and the

2299
01:48:20,710 --> 01:48:18,290
other is saying it's a totally different

2300
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:20,720
program because then you have different

2301
01:48:24,460 --> 01:48:22,490
offices you have different funding lines

2302
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:24,470
you have different budget line items you

2303
01:48:29,770 --> 01:48:26,960
have a slew of things that you now have

2304
01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:29,780
to consider and so I had pointed that

2305
01:48:34,290 --> 01:48:31,760
out and then when when the Pentagon said

2306
01:48:36,730 --> 01:48:34,300
that mr. Elizondo had you know no

2307
01:48:38,290 --> 01:48:36,740
responsibilities on the program all of a

2308
01:48:38,500 --> 01:48:38,300
sudden those discrepancies started to

2309
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:38,510
make

2310
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:40,970
since the discrepancies were there quite

2311
01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:43,610
possibly because he was making it up as

2312
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:46,490
he went I mean there's no way around

2313
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:50,570
that yeah why doesn't this may be the

2314
01:48:57,190 --> 01:48:54,320
dumbest question I can ask why doesn't

2315
01:49:00,970 --> 01:48:57,200
to the Stars take some of that stock

2316
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:00,980
investment money and get a frigging fact

2317
01:49:09,790 --> 01:49:06,530
checker wouldn't that just fix a lot of

2318
01:49:12,670 --> 01:49:09,800
their problems because you know I said

2319
01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:12,680
this two years ago and I meant it a year

2320
01:49:16,090 --> 01:49:14,450
and a half ago I said here you've got

2321
01:49:20,440 --> 01:49:16,100
all of this brain power

2322
01:49:23,050 --> 01:49:20,450
you've got physicists and and national

2323
01:49:24,670 --> 01:49:23,060
security and and banking you've got all

2324
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:24,680
of this brain power here

2325
01:49:30,610 --> 01:49:28,130
how can you stumble and make these kinds

2326
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:30,620
of mistakes it doesn't make any sense

2327
01:49:36,310 --> 01:49:32,960
and that was one of the questions that I

2328
01:49:38,530 --> 01:49:36,320
laid out to DeLonge and to the team over

2329
01:49:41,410 --> 01:49:38,540
there I was just like justjust tell me

2330
01:49:43,420 --> 01:49:41,420
who the fall guy is here who's making

2331
01:49:46,630 --> 01:49:43,430
the mistakes because somebody here is

2332
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:46,640
running amuck and all of this brainpower

2333
01:49:53,410 --> 01:49:49,520
you guys supposed to be investigating

2334
01:49:55,630 --> 01:49:53,420
UFOs right at the Pentagon do you guys

2335
01:49:57,910 --> 01:49:55,640
really know what you're doing you know

2336
01:50:00,880 --> 01:49:57,920
that's that's the bottom line a fact

2337
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:00,890
checker here somebody some quality

2338
01:50:07,480 --> 01:50:04,970
control script supervisor right and you

2339
01:50:09,730 --> 01:50:07,490
know what I'm talking about to keep

2340
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:09,740
everything in line you pay people to do

2341
01:50:13,210 --> 01:50:12,320
that don't you yeah you would and I

2342
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:13,220
think that that would help with the

2343
01:50:17,500 --> 01:50:15,170
press release blunders the PowerPoint

2344
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:17,510
presentation blunders the you know that

2345
01:50:22,170 --> 01:50:18,410
that kind of stuff

2346
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:22,180
but when but when a undisputed

2347
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:24,730
contributor meaning dr. Hal put off

2348
01:50:31,210 --> 01:50:27,890
through bass is taking part in the

2349
01:50:34,060 --> 01:50:31,220
program and ironically how he describes

2350
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:34,070
it aligns with how the Pentagon has

2351
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:35,930
describes it and then you've got mr.

2352
01:50:41,530 --> 01:50:39,530
Elizondo who gives the the same an

2353
01:50:44,500 --> 01:50:41,540
answer to the same question essentially

2354
01:50:46,810 --> 01:50:44,510
what is a tip and it is wildly different

2355
01:50:49,420 --> 01:50:46,820
than dr. put off which aligned with the

2356
01:50:51,490 --> 01:50:49,430
Pentagon you have to ask yourself why

2357
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:51,500
why can't they get their story straight

2358
01:50:54,730 --> 01:50:52,490
you don't need a script

2359
01:50:57,100 --> 01:50:54,740
vizor fact-checker for that those two

2360
01:50:59,740 --> 01:50:57,110
guys work at the exact same corporation

2361
01:51:01,480 --> 01:50:59,750
and are on the same board and they can't

2362
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:01,490
get their story straight

2363
01:51:05,740 --> 01:51:03,770
that's not semantics you know that

2364
01:51:07,690 --> 01:51:05,750
that's that's not put wordplay and this

2365
01:51:10,930 --> 01:51:07,700
and that those are two different

2366
01:51:12,910 --> 01:51:10,940
descriptions for these programs and

2367
01:51:15,310 --> 01:51:12,920
that's not the only discrepancy you know

2368
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:15,320
I mean that there's a long list I wrote

2369
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:19,520
a big timeline and and I

2370
01:51:25,210 --> 01:51:22,400
I literally on a timeline only use their

2371
01:51:27,970 --> 01:51:25,220
quotes use dr. put off right Luis

2372
01:51:29,410 --> 01:51:27,980
Elizondo I added a few points from the

2373
01:51:31,480 --> 01:51:29,420
Pentagon but some people just want to

2374
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:31,490
you know dismiss the government which is

2375
01:51:34,750 --> 01:51:32,960
fine you can actually do this on the

2376
01:51:37,090 --> 01:51:34,760
timeline and you still have to scratch

2377
01:51:40,660 --> 01:51:37,100
your head because these guys cannot

2378
01:51:43,300 --> 01:51:40,670
agree on what the the story is and then

2379
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:43,310
I put in a lot of the media only the

2380
01:51:48,190 --> 01:51:45,530
media that had direct access to TTS a

2381
01:51:50,140 --> 01:51:48,200
not people doing what I call copy and

2382
01:51:52,510 --> 01:51:50,150
paste journalism not bloggers not

2383
01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:52,520
anything just the outlets that had

2384
01:51:58,990 --> 01:51:56,930
direct contact with TTS a / Louis

2385
01:52:02,460 --> 01:51:59,000
Elizondo or Tom DeLonge or dr. put off

2386
01:52:04,870 --> 01:52:02,470
and when you look at the timeline it is

2387
01:52:07,210 --> 01:52:04,880
ridiculous if you want to harp on the

2388
01:52:08,980 --> 01:52:07,220
media of fiim you want to harp on TTS a

2389
01:52:10,630 --> 01:52:08,990
fine you want to harp on whomever pick

2390
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:10,640
one but they need to be harp done

2391
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:13,010
because when you look at it in that form

2392
01:52:18,310 --> 01:52:15,650
and and using source of all quotes I

2393
01:52:20,290 --> 01:52:18,320
sourced 100% of it so you can click on

2394
01:52:22,900 --> 01:52:20,300
the source link and go to interviews

2395
01:52:24,940 --> 01:52:22,910
videos you know whomever you verify

2396
01:52:27,460 --> 01:52:24,950
anything I put on this timeline but you

2397
01:52:32,170 --> 01:52:27,470
see how much of a mess it is people that

2398
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:32,180
support this group they need to take 20

2399
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:34,010
minutes and read that and see if they're

2400
01:52:37,330 --> 01:52:35,210
still okay with it

2401
01:52:40,630 --> 01:52:37,340
because they're being told multiple

2402
01:52:43,060 --> 01:52:40,640
stories now I love eat and breathe all

2403
01:52:45,580 --> 01:52:43,070
of this stuff but not everybody does

2404
01:52:48,250 --> 01:52:45,590
they're not paying attention to every

2405
01:52:51,790 --> 01:52:48,260
little facet all of the minutiae the

2406
01:52:54,850 --> 01:52:51,800
minutiae matters those details matter

2407
01:52:57,610 --> 01:52:54,860
because in the end you might ultimately

2408
01:53:00,130 --> 01:52:57,620
find out that somebody is not who they

2409
01:53:01,900 --> 01:53:00,140
say they are did we find that out with

2410
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:01,910
this I'm not real sure we have a

2411
01:53:06,490 --> 01:53:04,250
Pentagon statement now that is the pink

2412
01:53:08,290 --> 01:53:06,500
elephant that nobody wants to touch

2413
01:53:10,569 --> 01:53:08,300
I don't know how long they can keep

2414
01:53:13,780 --> 01:53:10,579
going with that but I think that it

2415
01:53:15,819 --> 01:53:13,790
needs to be done because again those red

2416
01:53:18,370 --> 01:53:15,829
flags that you and I have chatted before

2417
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:18,380
long before the Pentagon you know issue

2418
01:53:23,169 --> 01:53:21,050
a or way before way before way way

2419
01:53:26,740 --> 01:53:23,179
before all of a sudden they make sense

2420
01:53:28,050 --> 01:53:26,750
not having dates right not not knowing

2421
01:53:30,490 --> 01:53:28,060
certain aspects to projects

2422
01:53:33,490 --> 01:53:30,500
contradicting other board members all of

2423
01:53:35,649 --> 01:53:33,500
a sudden it lines up and went oh okay

2424
01:53:38,319 --> 01:53:35,659
now now that actually makes sense I

2425
01:53:39,910 --> 01:53:38,329
don't want it to be true again I I think

2426
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:39,920
it's gonna do more damage in the long

2427
01:53:43,300 --> 01:53:41,690
run and I think you're coming up on a

2428
01:53:46,030 --> 01:53:43,310
break but really quick I reached out to

2429
01:53:48,370 --> 01:53:46,040
mister Elizondo privately through his

2430
01:53:49,479 --> 01:53:48,380
personal email address he and I we can

2431
01:53:52,300 --> 01:53:49,489
get into this after the break if you

2432
01:53:54,339 --> 01:53:52,310
want he and I had corresponded before he

2433
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:54,349
would never answer my questions and I'll

2434
01:53:58,419 --> 01:53:56,090
deal with that because there was a rumor

2435
01:54:02,560 --> 01:53:58,429
on Twitter which was a fabricated lie

2436
01:54:05,439 --> 01:54:02,570
but that being said I said to him let me

2437
01:54:07,689 --> 01:54:05,449
help you fix this I said I tried with

2438
01:54:09,609 --> 01:54:07,699
the 2009 read letter from George Knapp

2439
01:54:12,399 --> 01:54:09,619
and I said this is what the Pentagon

2440
01:54:14,589 --> 01:54:12,409
gave me I am going to publish it because

2441
01:54:16,810 --> 01:54:14,599
if I don't I'm gonna do the same thing

2442
01:54:18,910 --> 01:54:16,820
that I harp on everybody else for doing

2443
01:54:21,490 --> 01:54:18,920
and that's selective reporting right so

2444
01:54:24,339 --> 01:54:21,500
I said let me help you fix this give me

2445
01:54:25,629 --> 01:54:24,349
anything that was ignored and dr.

2446
01:54:28,300 --> 01:54:25,639
putt-off was the only one that went on

2447
01:54:30,550 --> 01:54:28,310
the record and he made everything a heck

2448
01:54:32,919 --> 01:54:30,560
of a lot more confusing let's take our

2449
01:54:35,050 --> 01:54:32,929
break right here we will continue this

2450
01:54:36,939 --> 01:54:35,060
when we come back also I'm gonna get

2451
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:36,949
back into the metamaterials too as well

2452
01:54:41,530 --> 01:54:39,290
as some information there that you may

2453
01:54:43,359 --> 01:54:41,540
not have heard before this is fade to

2454
01:54:45,339 --> 01:54:43,369
black I'm Yours Timmy Church we're

2455
01:54:48,870 --> 01:54:45,349
talking to John Greenwald talking about

2456
01:54:52,089 --> 01:54:48,880
disinformation CIA Department of Defense

2457
01:54:54,879 --> 01:54:52,099
National counterintelligence all of that

2458
01:55:07,439 --> 01:54:54,889
and much more when it comes to T TSA

2459
01:55:11,109 --> 01:55:09,459
welcome back fade to black

2460
01:55:13,739 --> 01:55:11,119
great conversation tonight with John

2461
01:55:16,419 --> 01:55:13,749
Greenwald some things have to be said

2462
01:55:19,959 --> 01:55:16,429
they just have to be said and it's about

2463
01:55:22,540 --> 01:55:19,969
keeping your ears and your eyes wide

2464
01:55:25,689 --> 01:55:22,550
open that's it that's the only way to

2465
01:55:28,869 --> 01:55:25,699
move forward and John I wanted to get

2466
01:55:34,029 --> 01:55:28,879
back to a point about the metamaterials

2467
01:55:37,929 --> 01:55:34,039
now I had a very long conversation top

2468
01:55:42,819 --> 01:55:37,939
top top top top top researcher top top

2469
01:55:45,369 --> 01:55:42,829
of the heap and he said to me he said to

2470
01:55:48,609 --> 01:55:45,379
me I was in possession of those meta

2471
01:55:51,399 --> 01:55:48,619
materials I had them for a couple of

2472
01:55:55,290 --> 01:55:51,409
years I had them completely tested at

2473
01:56:00,759 --> 01:55:55,300
multiple laboratories they are 100%

2474
01:56:05,169 --> 01:56:00,769
terrestrial and I told tts a this I gave

2475
01:56:07,419 --> 01:56:05,179
T TSA all of my laboratory results they

2476
01:56:10,379 --> 01:56:07,429
don't want to listen and and they just

2477
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:10,389
want to go on with this story that it is

2478
01:56:17,379 --> 01:56:15,050
you know that it's et it is not and and

2479
01:56:19,869 --> 01:56:17,389
that's it I took that as gospel I just

2480
01:56:21,209 --> 01:56:19,879
backed up and went okay you know T TSA

2481
01:56:23,830 --> 01:56:21,219
is gonna run with this and

2482
01:56:27,819 --> 01:56:23,840
sensationalize it and and make it part

2483
01:56:30,549 --> 01:56:27,829
of their unidentified show and and and

2484
01:56:34,629 --> 01:56:30,559
and I get that it's like a Bigfoot show

2485
01:56:37,089 --> 01:56:34,639
you know the ending of Bigfoot right you

2486
01:56:39,279 --> 01:56:37,099
know the ending of the show and with

2487
01:56:41,229 --> 01:56:39,289
these metamaterials it's going to be the

2488
01:56:43,810 --> 01:56:41,239
same thing it's going to be ongoing the

2489
01:56:46,389 --> 01:56:43,820
tests are inconclusive but but there's

2490
01:56:49,060 --> 01:56:46,399
this and this and and that's that's the

2491
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:49,070
way it's gonna run it's a TV show and I

2492
01:56:57,790 --> 01:56:52,010
get that but I'm telling you what I was

2493
01:56:59,770 --> 01:56:57,800
told and it's not surprising and I from

2494
01:57:01,689 --> 01:56:59,780
what I understand the piece that's being

2495
01:57:04,569 --> 01:57:01,699
touted right now has been around for

2496
01:57:07,509 --> 01:57:04,579
quite some time like since the 1990s

2497
01:57:09,939 --> 01:57:07,519
quite some time and in addition to what

2498
01:57:13,149 --> 01:57:09,949
you had just added I mean I believe his

2499
01:57:16,479 --> 01:57:13,159
name was Nicholas writer REI ter and he

2500
01:57:19,850 --> 01:57:16,489
had analyzed that material years ago and

2501
01:57:21,980 --> 01:57:19,860
found absolutely nothing

2502
01:57:24,350 --> 01:57:21,990
normal about it and believe though the

2503
01:57:26,540 --> 01:57:24,360
website that you can see this is a UFO

2504
01:57:28,490 --> 01:57:26,550
watchdog and it's been published for

2505
01:57:31,250 --> 01:57:28,500
years and years I mean it ties into what

2506
01:57:33,230 --> 01:57:31,260
was called arts parts and so there

2507
01:57:36,260 --> 01:57:33,240
there's a lot of evidence to support

2508
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:36,270
that there's nothing to the specific

2509
01:57:40,310 --> 01:57:38,730
piece that they are showing and that's

2510
01:57:45,260 --> 01:57:40,320
that's also kind of another head

2511
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:45,270
scratcher is in two years ad in mister

2512
01:57:50,450 --> 01:57:47,570
Elizondo allegedly headed this program

2513
01:57:53,540 --> 01:57:50,460
all the years that he headed it which

2514
01:57:55,880 --> 01:57:53,550
allegedly was you know what seven seven

2515
01:57:59,180 --> 01:57:55,890
years or so if you follow his timeline

2516
01:58:01,280 --> 01:57:59,190
in all of those years with all of the

2517
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:01,290
people involved they cannot find

2518
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:03,930
anything else that warrants a press

2519
01:58:08,300 --> 01:58:06,090
release instead of something that was

2520
01:58:12,950 --> 01:58:08,310
essentially debunked in the 1990s that's

2521
01:58:14,810 --> 01:58:12,960
right well this is the other part if you

2522
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:14,820
really want to make sense out of

2523
01:58:19,910 --> 01:58:17,850
everything you do this if you are bass

2524
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:19,920
if you are Bigelow and you've got a

2525
01:58:27,890 --> 01:58:24,170
warehouse in Las Vegas with et crashed

2526
01:58:31,100 --> 01:58:27,900
items in it right from from retrievals

2527
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:31,110
and in style if you have that then you

2528
01:58:36,620 --> 01:58:33,690
go public you have the biggest press

2529
01:58:39,770 --> 01:58:36,630
conference you and TTS a you lay out the

2530
01:58:41,750 --> 01:58:39,780
stuff on the front of a table you get

2531
01:58:44,540 --> 01:58:41,760
out in front of the media and then you

2532
01:58:48,980 --> 01:58:44,550
sell all the stock that you can handle

2533
01:58:52,340 --> 01:58:48,990
that's what you do and and they haven't

2534
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:52,350
done that because they can't and I will

2535
01:58:57,950 --> 01:58:55,170
I will I will preach that till the cows

2536
01:59:01,670 --> 01:58:57,960
come home you know because if you John

2537
01:59:05,300 --> 01:59:01,680
if you were in possession of a piece of

2538
01:59:07,790 --> 01:59:05,310
an alien craft you John Greenwald that

2539
01:59:09,740 --> 01:59:07,800
is on the black vault you go public with

2540
01:59:12,140 --> 01:59:09,750
it you are the most famous man in

2541
01:59:14,660 --> 01:59:12,150
history in fact they started religion

2542
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:14,670
based on you that's what they would do

2543
01:59:20,360 --> 01:59:18,090
and and the fact that they haven't gone

2544
01:59:22,910 --> 01:59:20,370
that far with it is because that they

2545
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:22,920
can't and I'll call them on it that's it

2546
01:59:29,900 --> 01:59:28,290
go public or or not that's it yeah want

2547
01:59:31,550 --> 01:59:29,910
to go back to one thing really quick

2548
01:59:33,140 --> 01:59:31,560
just because I fact checked it while we

2549
01:59:33,649 --> 01:59:33,150
were at the break the Lewis Elizondo

2550
01:59:36,110 --> 01:59:33,659
descript

2551
01:59:38,330 --> 01:59:36,120
mhm I looked up how they first published

2552
01:59:40,580 --> 01:59:38,340
it in 2017 on the wayback machine

2553
01:59:42,970 --> 01:59:40,590
mm-hmm and it said for nearly the last

2554
01:59:45,080 --> 01:59:42,980
decade lewis also ran a sensitive

2555
01:59:46,490 --> 01:59:45,090
aerospace threat identification program

2556
01:59:49,129 --> 01:59:46,500
focusing on unidentified aerial

2557
01:59:53,090 --> 01:59:49,139
technologies so again they said he ran

2558
01:59:55,129 --> 01:59:53,100
it the today if you were to go to the

2559
01:59:58,189 --> 01:59:55,139
website they call him the program

2560
01:59:59,689 --> 01:59:58,199
element manager so you know that could

2561
02:00:01,640 --> 01:59:59,699
just be different phrasing I'm not real

2562
02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:01,650
sure but just to kind of fact check so

2563
02:00:05,750 --> 02:00:03,810
you're so your listeners have exactly

2564
02:00:08,090 --> 02:00:05,760
what we were talking about that's the

2565
02:00:09,649 --> 02:00:08,100
difference so one when when they

2566
02:00:11,689 --> 02:00:09,659
launched the website they said he ran it

2567
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:11,699
now he is called the program element

2568
02:00:19,790 --> 02:00:16,050
manager on this program a few weeks ago

2569
02:00:22,129 --> 02:00:19,800
grant Cameron was on and he made a very

2570
02:00:24,169 --> 02:00:22,139
interesting point and I want to run this

2571
02:00:24,500 --> 02:00:24,179
by you and get your get your thoughts on

2572
02:00:29,540 --> 02:00:24,510
this

2573
02:00:34,310 --> 02:00:29,550
he said that T TSA is putting it out

2574
02:00:36,830 --> 02:00:34,320
there all screwed up on purpose because

2575
02:00:41,479 --> 02:00:36,840
it's for funding from Congress because

2576
02:00:44,930 --> 02:00:41,489
they can't you know get access to money

2577
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:44,940
and this is their way and I'm talking

2578
02:00:48,939 --> 02:00:47,010
about the United States Navy and the way

2579
02:00:52,610 --> 02:00:48,949
that all of this is being pushed through

2580
02:00:55,060 --> 02:00:52,620
all the way to President Trump right

2581
02:01:00,560 --> 02:00:55,070
this is a way to start to get funding

2582
02:01:04,129 --> 02:01:00,570
probably back to Bigelow and and of

2583
02:01:07,430 --> 02:01:04,139
course sell stock for T TSA that this is

2584
02:01:09,830 --> 02:01:07,440
the methodology for that what do you

2585
02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:09,840
think about that kind of assessment to

2586
02:01:13,669 --> 02:01:11,730
me that that's kind of a stretch I mean

2587
02:01:15,740 --> 02:01:13,679
I do believe that there is a Bigelow

2588
02:01:18,050 --> 02:01:15,750
angle with the money that stretches back

2589
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:18,060
to Harry Reid the connection with you

2590
02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:19,530
know Reid being the Senate Majority

2591
02:01:23,870 --> 02:01:21,690
Leader senator from Nevada

2592
02:01:25,820 --> 02:01:23,880
Bigelow's headquartered in Nevada that's

2593
02:01:27,740 --> 02:01:25,830
not popular to say and you've said a

2594
02:01:30,290 --> 02:01:27,750
couple times sometimes it's tough to

2595
02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:30,300
talk about it but we need to look at it

2596
02:01:34,939 --> 02:01:31,770
you know I mean we need to understand

2597
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:34,949
where that money is now fast forward in

2598
02:01:39,680 --> 02:01:37,770
2009 when that Senator Harry Reid letter

2599
02:01:44,390 --> 02:01:39,690
that I've mentioned a couple times it

2600
02:01:46,629 --> 02:01:44,400
aimed to save this program the awesome

2601
02:01:48,370 --> 02:01:46,639
slash a tip program or

2602
02:01:51,339 --> 02:01:48,380
programs depending upon who you listen

2603
02:01:53,830 --> 02:01:51,349
to but it aimed to save it why would a

2604
02:01:55,270 --> 02:01:53,840
US Senator other than if he was you know

2605
02:01:58,029 --> 02:01:55,280
maybe he was just genuinely passionate

2606
02:02:01,299 --> 02:01:58,039
and that's fine but why would he really

2607
02:02:04,839 --> 02:02:01,309
get that invested other than Bigelow was

2608
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:04,849
a big investor in him and a donor so he

2609
02:02:09,639 --> 02:02:06,530
was you know essentially doing the favor

2610
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:09,649
to continue that money in 2009 was a key

2611
02:02:15,459 --> 02:02:12,130
year because that's when they decided to

2612
02:02:17,709 --> 02:02:15,469
essentially say this is not producing

2613
02:02:19,989 --> 02:02:17,719
anything worthwhile I do have that in an

2614
02:02:21,879 --> 02:02:19,999
official statement the DIA says we don't

2615
02:02:25,089 --> 02:02:21,889
want it anymore and that's when it

2616
02:02:26,649 --> 02:02:25,099
transferred over to you know OSD now

2617
02:02:28,899 --> 02:02:26,659
fast forward what is Bigelow's

2618
02:02:31,270 --> 02:02:28,909
connection now in the last year and a

2619
02:02:34,449 --> 02:02:31,280
half plus close to two years since tea

2620
02:02:36,100 --> 02:02:34,459
tsa has come around and a tip surfaced

2621
02:02:37,839 --> 02:02:36,110
and Bigelow's names been thrown around

2622
02:02:40,719 --> 02:02:37,849
in the new york times and all this stuff

2623
02:02:42,729 --> 02:02:40,729
who has been the most silent and that's

2624
02:02:44,649 --> 02:02:42,739
Bigelow Aerospace like I don't think

2625
02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:44,659
that they have talked about this at all

2626
02:02:49,419 --> 02:02:46,610
like I mean I think there's not anything

2627
02:02:50,589 --> 02:02:49,429
off the top of my head anyway so if I'm

2628
02:02:52,169 --> 02:02:50,599
wrong on that I'm sure someone will

2629
02:02:56,739 --> 02:02:52,179
point it out but they have been

2630
02:02:59,739 --> 02:02:56,749
mysteriously quiet seriously since since

2631
02:03:03,850 --> 02:02:59,749
60 minutes actually which was quite a

2632
02:03:06,489 --> 02:03:03,860
few years ago right yep yes so the

2633
02:03:09,399 --> 02:03:06,499
question is why like for me and I'll use

2634
02:03:12,819 --> 02:03:09,409
a prime example Raytheon had published a

2635
02:03:15,580 --> 02:03:12,829
press release article that touted one of

2636
02:03:18,189 --> 02:03:15,590
the videos I forget which three but one

2637
02:03:20,469 --> 02:03:18,199
of the you know videos that T TSA

2638
02:03:22,870 --> 02:03:20,479
released and kind of touted that it was

2639
02:03:24,750 --> 02:03:22,880
their equipment that filmed that right

2640
02:03:27,250 --> 02:03:24,760
so they kind of latched on to the hype

2641
02:03:28,479 --> 02:03:27,260
to publicize their own corporation I

2642
02:03:29,889 --> 02:03:28,489
don't fault them for that that's fine

2643
02:03:32,049 --> 02:03:29,899
you know they've all the more power to

2644
02:03:33,609 --> 02:03:32,059
him but that shows you the corporate

2645
02:03:35,739 --> 02:03:33,619
mentality that it's like hey if we can

2646
02:03:37,569 --> 02:03:35,749
get some publicity out of this let's do

2647
02:03:39,819 --> 02:03:37,579
it so you have to ask yourself why

2648
02:03:41,469 --> 02:03:39,829
wouldn't Bigelow Aerospace why wouldn't

2649
02:03:43,870 --> 02:03:41,479
they come aboard and say yeah you know

2650
02:03:46,149 --> 02:03:43,880
what we saw this we support there should

2651
02:03:48,790 --> 02:03:46,159
be further research there's nothing

2652
02:03:52,179 --> 02:03:48,800
about classification clearances any

2653
02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:52,189
violations nothing for a corporation to

2654
02:04:00,100 --> 02:03:57,050
say an opinion and to back a either

2655
02:04:03,129 --> 02:04:00,110
public benefit corporation or

2656
02:04:04,810 --> 02:04:03,139
advocate for additional programs whether

2657
02:04:06,939 --> 02:04:04,820
or not they try and you know get that

2658
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:06,949
money themselves whatever but they

2659
02:04:12,129 --> 02:04:09,530
there's nothing wrong with that and yet

2660
02:04:14,229 --> 02:04:12,139
they've stayed quiet and that's always

2661
02:04:17,260 --> 02:04:14,239
been intriguing to me because again you

2662
02:04:19,660 --> 02:04:17,270
would want to ride that gravy train get

2663
02:04:22,090 --> 02:04:19,670
more attention - Bigelow Aerospace just

2664
02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:22,100
like Raytheon did hey this is the

2665
02:04:27,729 --> 02:04:25,610
technology that we created we see aliens

2666
02:04:30,070 --> 02:04:27,739
other they didn't say that I'm obviously

2667
02:04:32,169 --> 02:04:30,080
being facetious but you know it's like

2668
02:04:34,570 --> 02:04:32,179
they're they're latching on to that

2669
02:04:36,700 --> 02:04:34,580
momentum there's no reason that I could

2670
02:04:39,640 --> 02:04:36,710
think of the Bigelow Aerospace would not

2671
02:04:41,859 --> 02:04:39,650
and and get their name out there and get

2672
02:04:43,750 --> 02:04:41,869
a little bit of attention for himself

2673
02:04:46,060 --> 02:04:43,760
there's nothing even wrong with that I'm

2674
02:04:48,550 --> 02:04:46,070
not saying that would be anything bad so

2675
02:04:51,879 --> 02:04:48,560
why have they been quiet and and that

2676
02:04:53,500 --> 02:04:51,889
that I don't have an answer to I have

2677
02:04:55,629 --> 02:04:53,510
reached out to Bigelow Aerospace and

2678
02:04:58,450 --> 02:04:55,639
their PR department never received a

2679
02:05:01,060 --> 02:04:58,460
response I called an email just for

2680
02:05:02,709 --> 02:05:01,070
anybody who's taken notes and and so

2681
02:05:06,609 --> 02:05:02,719
they ignored all requests for comments

2682
02:05:08,950 --> 02:05:06,619
on anything so there's and again not not

2683
02:05:10,780 --> 02:05:08,960
that I'm anyone but my point with that

2684
02:05:13,300 --> 02:05:10,790
is generally you know you might have a

2685
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:13,310
standard response or a copy and paste or

2686
02:05:17,830 --> 02:05:15,530
that you would send out to anybody who's

2687
02:05:21,010 --> 02:05:17,840
who's asking and it just seems like they

2688
02:05:23,109 --> 02:05:21,020
don't want anything to do with this here

2689
02:05:24,580 --> 02:05:23,119
close to two years later and I think

2690
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:24,590
that there's there's something to that I

2691
02:05:30,810 --> 02:05:26,330
don't know what it is but I think we

2692
02:05:34,270 --> 02:05:30,820
need to ask any word on the ratings of

2693
02:05:36,010 --> 02:05:34,280
unidentified how all did it go at the

2694
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:36,020
beginning and at the end of the season

2695
02:05:42,220 --> 02:05:39,770
do you know from what I understood from

2696
02:05:46,149 --> 02:05:42,230
the ratings it had dipped by the perma

2697
02:05:47,590 --> 02:05:46,159
by the finale which is never a good sign

2698
02:05:49,209 --> 02:05:47,600
but I'm not gonna lie to you and say I

2699
02:05:51,189 --> 02:05:49,219
know all the figures and how it went

2700
02:05:54,359 --> 02:05:51,199
from episode one to episode whatever the

2701
02:05:56,859 --> 02:05:54,369
last one was six so but I do know that

2702
02:05:58,689 --> 02:05:56,869
from what I understand from what I read

2703
02:06:01,450 --> 02:05:58,699
they did not break the million mark or

2704
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:01,460
the point mark on that finale which is

2705
02:06:05,590 --> 02:06:03,530
not necessarily a good sign it dipped

2706
02:06:07,870 --> 02:06:05,600
from the week prior from what I

2707
02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:07,880
understand so again that's that's never

2708
02:06:12,989 --> 02:06:08,530
a good sign

2709
02:06:15,750 --> 02:06:12,999
that it dipped but

2710
02:06:17,700 --> 02:06:15,760
is a pretties if they got close to that

2711
02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:17,710
I don't know if they've got into ancient

2712
02:06:24,589 --> 02:06:20,729
aliens territory as far as numbers go

2713
02:06:28,279 --> 02:06:24,599
but wouldn't that signal a season - and

2714
02:06:33,029 --> 02:06:28,289
the reason why I asked that question

2715
02:06:35,339 --> 02:06:33,039
back with hangar 1 during our second

2716
02:06:38,819 --> 02:06:35,349
season we had really really really

2717
02:06:41,729 --> 02:06:38,829
strong numbers and there were reports

2718
02:06:43,529 --> 02:06:41,739
that's a couple of those Friday's we we

2719
02:06:45,629 --> 02:06:43,539
had bigger numbers than ancient aliens

2720
02:06:49,379 --> 02:06:45,639
mm-hmm but we didn't get picked up for a

2721
02:06:52,169 --> 02:06:49,389
season three yeah networks are finicky

2722
02:06:54,020 --> 02:06:52,179
and I'm not gonna pick on UFO related

2723
02:06:57,180 --> 02:06:54,030
programs by saying this or unidentified

2724
02:06:59,160 --> 02:06:57,190
directly they're just finicky with what

2725
02:07:01,350 --> 02:06:59,170
they look at and how they analyze and

2726
02:07:03,390 --> 02:07:01,360
how what did you pull and what time slot

2727
02:07:06,359 --> 02:07:03,400
and going up against ancient aliens back

2728
02:07:07,560 --> 02:07:06,369
to back did you hold the audience and I

2729
02:07:09,660 --> 02:07:07,570
know that there was some talk that

2730
02:07:11,819 --> 02:07:09,670
during some of the episodes they were

2731
02:07:13,410 --> 02:07:11,829
able to retain the audience but I don't

2732
02:07:15,540 --> 02:07:13,420
I don't believe they ever beat them but

2733
02:07:17,609 --> 02:07:15,550
don't quote me on that as gospel but I

2734
02:07:20,759 --> 02:07:17,619
know I never heard that they had risen

2735
02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:20,769
above that level so what you know if

2736
02:07:26,009 --> 02:07:22,090
they got a season two what it surprised

2737
02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:26,019
me no I mean a lot of UFO shows I get a

2738
02:07:30,750 --> 02:07:27,610
season two I mean that they get good

2739
02:07:33,450 --> 02:07:30,760
ratings UFOs get clicks hits and ratings

2740
02:07:35,609 --> 02:07:33,460
we all know that and it plays into a

2741
02:07:37,620 --> 02:07:35,619
role and what we are seeing on

2742
02:07:39,839 --> 02:07:37,630
television and what we're reading in the

2743
02:07:41,819 --> 02:07:39,849
media but again I go back to that pink

2744
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:41,829
elephant in the room that regardless of

2745
02:07:47,549 --> 02:07:43,570
if that Pentagon statement is true or

2746
02:07:49,410 --> 02:07:47,559
not they need to address it because the

2747
02:07:52,979 --> 02:07:49,420
host of their show the star of their

2748
02:07:56,669 --> 02:07:52,989
show what they what they surrounded the

2749
02:07:58,560 --> 02:07:56,679
entire series around the United States

2750
02:08:01,169 --> 02:07:58,570
government went on the record and said

2751
02:08:03,989 --> 02:08:01,179
that's not true now to be honest with

2752
02:08:07,439 --> 02:08:03,999
you that's fairly unprecedented as well

2753
02:08:09,629 --> 02:08:07,449
it's very rare unless they have to where

2754
02:08:12,899 --> 02:08:09,639
they start taking shots at people by

2755
02:08:13,529 --> 02:08:12,909
name and generally they just leave well

2756
02:08:15,899 --> 02:08:13,539
enough alone

2757
02:08:18,899 --> 02:08:15,909
you know these government whistleblowers

2758
02:08:20,549 --> 02:08:18,909
that come out with crazy claims and the

2759
02:08:22,890 --> 02:08:20,559
Pentagon doesn't issue statements on

2760
02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:22,900
them a lot of people find like truth in

2761
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:25,090
that they go aha the Pentagon can't

2762
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:27,010
refute it no I mean it's general

2763
02:08:30,840 --> 02:08:28,570
standard practice that they just don't

2764
02:08:34,920 --> 02:08:30,850
address it so it's very interesting that

2765
02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:34,930
they did with a Louis Elizondo and I and

2766
02:08:38,910 --> 02:08:36,730
I did wrestle for a little bit thinking

2767
02:08:42,030 --> 02:08:38,920
wow are they trying to ruin his

2768
02:08:44,490 --> 02:08:42,040
credibility are they taking a shot at

2769
02:08:46,920 --> 02:08:44,500
him in the respect that they want to

2770
02:08:49,170 --> 02:08:46,930
harm his credibility and and make him

2771
02:08:51,870 --> 02:08:49,180
look like someone that he's not and and

2772
02:08:55,410 --> 02:08:51,880
all of that is untrue and I just don't

2773
02:08:57,950 --> 02:08:55,420
see any evidence of that meaning there's

2774
02:09:00,450 --> 02:08:57,960
no one that has come out other than his

2775
02:09:03,120 --> 02:09:00,460
essentially business partner doctor put

2776
02:09:05,550 --> 02:09:03,130
off that is vouched that he was in the

2777
02:09:08,610 --> 02:09:05,560
Pentagon running this program now for

2778
02:09:11,550 --> 02:09:08,620
any company even government work a tip

2779
02:09:15,090 --> 02:09:11,560
top according to Senator Harry Reid were

2780
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:15,100
not highly classified programs in fact

2781
02:09:20,310 --> 02:09:17,850
to quote Harry Reid 80% of it is

2782
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:20,320
unclassified so to think that they're

2783
02:09:25,290 --> 02:09:22,810
just deep dark secret you know CIA

2784
02:09:27,060 --> 02:09:25,300
agents with with top-secret clearances

2785
02:09:30,390 --> 02:09:27,070
and and they're not gonna blow their

2786
02:09:31,680 --> 02:09:30,400
cover to vouch for Lewis Elizondo I just

2787
02:09:35,460 --> 02:09:31,690
don't buy that that's not what this

2788
02:09:38,190 --> 02:09:35,470
program was people have argued well prep

2789
02:09:41,130 --> 02:09:38,200
PR officers are often wrong you know

2790
02:09:43,860 --> 02:09:41,140
that that they don't know well if they

2791
02:09:45,990 --> 02:09:43,870
took the time to look the press officer

2792
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:46,000
who issued the statement actually went

2793
02:09:50,760 --> 02:09:48,490
on the record and said that he spoke to

2794
02:09:52,620 --> 02:09:50,770
Oh USD I which is the acronym for the

2795
02:09:54,780 --> 02:09:52,630
office of the Undersecretary of defense

2796
02:09:57,720 --> 02:09:54,790
for intelligence other

2797
02:10:00,660 --> 02:09:57,730
oh you SDI leadership within that

2798
02:10:03,390 --> 02:10:00,670
organization that some of which actually

2799
02:10:05,850 --> 02:10:03,400
worked at the time that mr. Elizondo was

2800
02:10:09,030 --> 02:10:05,860
at oh you SDI that part was not disputed

2801
02:10:11,550 --> 02:10:09,040
and they confirmed he did not run that

2802
02:10:13,350 --> 02:10:11,560
program so it's not just what a lot of

2803
02:10:15,060 --> 02:10:13,360
people are banking like wow PR press

2804
02:10:16,890 --> 02:10:15,070
officers they don't know anything well

2805
02:10:19,500 --> 02:10:16,900
that's not what this press officer based

2806
02:10:21,570 --> 02:10:19,510
a statement off of so to go back to the

2807
02:10:25,110 --> 02:10:21,580
point I mean that the any networks has a

2808
02:10:27,960 --> 02:10:25,120
lot to answer for if they put him on

2809
02:10:31,310 --> 02:10:27,970
television again and say this is the guy

2810
02:10:34,620 --> 02:10:31,320
that ran the quote-unquote top-secret

2811
02:10:38,250 --> 02:10:34,630
pentagon UFO program which by the way

2812
02:10:40,660 --> 02:10:38,260
that's all you know fluff and creative

2813
02:10:41,859 --> 02:10:40,670
license there's no

2814
02:10:44,169 --> 02:10:41,869
there's no proof that this was a

2815
02:10:46,439 --> 02:10:44,179
top-secret program it had classified

2816
02:10:49,899 --> 02:10:46,449
aspects but if you believe Harry Reid

2817
02:10:53,859 --> 02:10:49,909
80% of it was unclassified what do you

2818
02:10:57,430 --> 02:10:53,869
do how do you address those out there

2819
02:11:00,070 --> 02:10:57,440
that say that that you're wrong and

2820
02:11:02,859 --> 02:11:00,080
you're picking on Elizondo because it's

2821
02:11:06,520 --> 02:11:02,869
it's it's personal and you've lost sight

2822
02:11:08,649 --> 02:11:06,530
of objectivity yeah how do I respond to

2823
02:11:11,500 --> 02:11:08,659
that I mean I questioned myself all the

2824
02:11:13,899 --> 02:11:11,510
time have I made this personal right to

2825
02:11:16,149 --> 02:11:13,909
be honest with you I haven't the reason

2826
02:11:18,340 --> 02:11:16,159
is is I tried what people will disagree

2827
02:11:20,530 --> 02:11:18,350
with me but I tried to help fix it

2828
02:11:22,870 --> 02:11:20,540
because again I look at the bigger

2829
02:11:25,959 --> 02:11:22,880
picture and in the bigger picture mark

2830
02:11:29,140 --> 02:11:25,969
my words this will be more damaging than

2831
02:11:31,390 --> 02:11:29,150
all else I do not believe in the long

2832
02:11:34,149 --> 02:11:31,400
run this is going to help the UFO

2833
02:11:36,640 --> 02:11:34,159
community so I did genuinely try and

2834
02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:36,650
help but to be honest with you you have

2835
02:11:42,580 --> 02:11:39,770
to look at this objectively with common

2836
02:11:45,459 --> 02:11:42,590
sense and logic and take me out of the

2837
02:11:48,250 --> 02:11:45,469
equation just look at it start to look

2838
02:11:50,439 --> 02:11:48,260
at his words don't listen to mine look

2839
02:11:53,140 --> 02:11:50,449
at his and look at how he contradicts

2840
02:11:56,229 --> 02:11:53,150
himself look at you've pointed it out

2841
02:11:58,419 --> 02:11:56,239
also those tough questions now TTS a as

2842
02:12:00,760 --> 02:11:58,429
a whole not only Elizondo those tough

2843
02:12:03,180 --> 02:12:00,770
questions that should be answered and

2844
02:12:06,280 --> 02:12:03,190
addressed they should embrace them and

2845
02:12:08,399 --> 02:12:06,290
and squash them squash the concerns

2846
02:12:11,680 --> 02:12:08,409
answer the questions and yet they do not

2847
02:12:13,780 --> 02:12:11,690
they do not want to engage anything that

2848
02:12:16,330 --> 02:12:13,790
is challenging most of the interviews

2849
02:12:18,879 --> 02:12:16,340
that take place with well that used to

2850
02:12:22,120 --> 02:12:18,889
take place with mr. Elizondo or whomever

2851
02:12:24,040 --> 02:12:22,130
are largely softball questions I mean

2852
02:12:26,350 --> 02:12:24,050
they just are you can't argue that

2853
02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:26,360
nobody is challenging him I want to I

2854
02:12:29,680 --> 02:12:27,770
want to give credit to Martin Willis

2855
02:12:34,330 --> 02:12:29,690
he's the only one that I know of that

2856
02:12:37,479 --> 02:12:34,340
got Elizondo on a show and directly

2857
02:12:41,140 --> 02:12:37,489
asked him about the Pentagon statement

2858
02:12:43,240 --> 02:12:41,150
and so kudos to him because he had the

2859
02:12:45,550 --> 02:12:43,250
opportunity and he took it and he did it

2860
02:12:49,149 --> 02:12:45,560
I would have pressed him after his

2861
02:12:52,629 --> 02:12:49,159
answer and as his answer was everybody's

2862
02:12:54,549 --> 02:12:52,639
entitled to an opinion now that's like

2863
02:12:57,160 --> 02:12:54,559
the the he went on for a couple

2864
02:12:59,850 --> 02:12:57,170
and to be blatantly honest with you

2865
02:13:02,379 --> 02:12:59,860
didn't really have a formulated answer

2866
02:13:03,910 --> 02:13:02,389
however the only thing that he really

2867
02:13:06,370 --> 02:13:03,920
said of substance was everyone's

2868
02:13:09,250 --> 02:13:06,380
entitled to an opinion meaning the PR

2869
02:13:11,160 --> 02:13:09,260
officer at the Pentagon who talked with

2870
02:13:14,080 --> 02:13:11,170
mr. elizondo's former colleagues

2871
02:13:16,479 --> 02:13:14,090
apparently this is just an opinion you

2872
02:13:18,010 --> 02:13:16,489
know and I laugh at that because to me I

2873
02:13:19,660 --> 02:13:18,020
would have pressed that I think you

2874
02:13:22,270 --> 02:13:19,670
would have to and I'm not harping on

2875
02:13:24,549 --> 02:13:22,280
Martin with saying he didn't he only had

2876
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:24,559
like 10 minutes so the point you know he

2877
02:13:28,779 --> 02:13:26,000
had to just move on he's not gonna just

2878
02:13:30,669 --> 02:13:28,789
grill and interrogate the guy so I don't

2879
02:13:32,080 --> 02:13:30,679
fault him for not pressing him but I

2880
02:13:34,209 --> 02:13:32,090
think that he needs to be pressed on

2881
02:13:37,359 --> 02:13:34,219
that I think that if he would have come

2882
02:13:39,399 --> 02:13:37,369
out with something of substance then we

2883
02:13:42,010 --> 02:13:39,409
can get beyond it we can then challenge

2884
02:13:44,260 --> 02:13:42,020
the Pentagon and a lot of people that

2885
02:13:46,180 --> 02:13:44,270
would say you're making this personal

2886
02:13:47,950 --> 02:13:46,190
and you're picking on Elizondo are

2887
02:13:49,870 --> 02:13:47,960
generally the same people that say

2888
02:13:51,669 --> 02:13:49,880
you're the guy that says the Pentagon

2889
02:13:54,220 --> 02:13:51,679
has lied about UFOs and cover-up and

2890
02:13:57,069 --> 02:13:54,230
you're right I absolutely have however

2891
02:14:01,359 --> 02:13:57,079
to prove that cover-up and to prove

2892
02:14:04,600 --> 02:14:01,369
those lies I worked darn hard for years

2893
02:14:06,729 --> 02:14:04,610
and I have evidence to prove it so just

2894
02:14:09,100 --> 02:14:06,739
because the Pentagon lied once or twice

2895
02:14:11,709 --> 02:14:09,110
or arguably however many times you want

2896
02:14:14,319 --> 02:14:11,719
to say doesn't mean that they lie a

2897
02:14:16,689 --> 02:14:14,329
hundred percent of the time and if you

2898
02:14:20,049 --> 02:14:16,699
fall into that category of just

2899
02:14:21,220 --> 02:14:20,059
believing everything is a lie that comes

2900
02:14:22,810 --> 02:14:21,230
out of the Pentagon it's a very

2901
02:14:24,339 --> 02:14:22,820
dangerous place to be

2902
02:14:27,220 --> 02:14:24,349
especially if you say that you're a

2903
02:14:30,040 --> 02:14:27,230
journalist you have to challenge it I

2904
02:14:32,229 --> 02:14:30,050
fully support that but you need evidence

2905
02:14:35,140 --> 02:14:32,239
to start saying that they are lying to

2906
02:14:37,359 --> 02:14:35,150
you and so people often attack me and

2907
02:14:39,490 --> 02:14:37,369
say you know that I am making this

2908
02:14:42,100 --> 02:14:39,500
personal and I'm picking on Elizondo no

2909
02:14:44,979 --> 02:14:42,110
I honestly I am NOT because I've

2910
02:14:47,740 --> 02:14:44,989
challenged myself many times over on

2911
02:14:49,720 --> 02:14:47,750
that very question to try and make sure

2912
02:14:52,839 --> 02:14:49,730
that I'm not getting personally involved

2913
02:14:55,029 --> 02:14:52,849
or or emotionally evolved or or take

2914
02:14:57,220 --> 02:14:55,039
things personally and I'm not and the

2915
02:15:00,339 --> 02:14:57,230
reason why because I guarantee I'll get

2916
02:15:02,740 --> 02:15:00,349
letters saying yes you are but the

2917
02:15:05,500 --> 02:15:02,750
reason I know it is you can take me out

2918
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:05,510
of the equation do not listen to me

2919
02:15:11,680 --> 02:15:08,330
however all I ask of you

2920
02:15:13,690 --> 02:15:11,690
listen to mr. Elizondo listen to dr. put

2921
02:15:16,360 --> 02:15:13,700
off start putting those statements

2922
02:15:18,430 --> 02:15:16,370
together with the media and look at how

2923
02:15:19,870 --> 02:15:18,440
they contradict each other and that's

2924
02:15:21,190 --> 02:15:19,880
how I know that I'm not taking this

2925
02:15:24,100 --> 02:15:21,200
personally or I'm trying to make up

2926
02:15:27,430 --> 02:15:24,110
stuff because they themselves have dug

2927
02:15:31,590 --> 02:15:27,440
themselves into this hole not me I'm

2928
02:15:36,640 --> 02:15:31,600
gonna read something to you this was

2929
02:15:40,360 --> 02:15:36,650
December 29th 2017 this was a Friday and

2930
02:15:43,060 --> 02:15:40,370
I was on my way to coast-to-coast ammos

2931
02:15:47,470 --> 02:15:43,070
hosting that night and I was talking to

2932
02:15:50,350 --> 02:15:47,480
DeLong on the phone and we had a couple

2933
02:15:55,600 --> 02:15:50,360
of conversations that evening and he

2934
02:15:58,180 --> 02:15:55,610
said he said you know hold on man I'm

2935
02:16:00,310 --> 02:15:58,190
gonna text you a statement to read on

2936
02:16:02,350 --> 02:16:00,320
the air tonight and it was New Year's

2937
02:16:04,270 --> 02:16:02,360
Eve weekend right it's you know it's

2938
02:16:07,980 --> 02:16:04,280
four days after Christmas holidays and

2939
02:16:11,200 --> 02:16:07,990
all that stuff so he he sent me this

2940
02:16:13,810 --> 02:16:11,210
statement from Tom DeLonge and he says

2941
02:16:16,090 --> 02:16:13,820
I'd like to thank you I'd like to say

2942
02:16:19,510 --> 02:16:16,100
for all of your support

2943
02:16:21,850 --> 02:16:19,520
I want to thank you and as you know I

2944
02:16:24,280 --> 02:16:21,860
created a vehicle that my team was able

2945
02:16:27,040 --> 02:16:24,290
to supercharge and get the Pentagon to

2946
02:16:30,250 --> 02:16:27,050
officially acknowledge the existence of

2947
02:16:32,770 --> 02:16:30,260
unidentified aerial phenomena Senator

2948
02:16:34,720 --> 02:16:32,780
Harry Reid the former Majority Leader

2949
02:16:37,629 --> 02:16:34,730
went on the record as well

2950
02:16:40,450 --> 02:16:37,639
Congress has ignited and briefings will

2951
02:16:42,580 --> 02:16:40,460
be starting soon if all goes well so

2952
02:16:46,089 --> 02:16:42,590
bear with me as we start talking about

2953
02:16:49,419 --> 02:16:46,099
more gun camera footage Hardware in even

2954
02:16:51,610 --> 02:16:49,429
more expansive military encounters it's

2955
02:16:54,100 --> 02:16:51,620
all coming but it's gonna trickle out

2956
02:16:56,290 --> 02:16:54,110
over the months ahead I want to thank

2957
02:17:00,030 --> 02:16:56,300
you all again I'm one of you on the

2958
02:17:06,669 --> 02:17:00,040
truth-seeker signed Tom DeLonge 1229

2959
02:17:09,430 --> 02:17:06,679
2017 and and today they have chosen to

2960
02:17:13,300 --> 02:17:09,440
ignore and don't care about the UFO

2961
02:17:15,940 --> 02:17:13,310
community back then he was trying to get

2962
02:17:21,890 --> 02:17:15,950
the UFO community via coast-to-coast

2963
02:17:23,950 --> 02:17:21,900
and myself included to get behind what

2964
02:17:27,410 --> 02:17:23,960
ese was doing and if you remember in

2965
02:17:32,390 --> 02:17:27,420
December of 2017 all hell broke loose

2966
02:17:35,240 --> 02:17:32,400
right yeah and and what looking at that

2967
02:17:37,670 --> 02:17:35,250
statement that he had me read I read

2968
02:17:40,880 --> 02:17:37,680
this on the air that night on coast to

2969
02:17:44,950 --> 02:17:40,890
coast and where we are today almost two

2970
02:17:49,160 --> 02:17:44,960
years later nothing has really developed

2971
02:17:51,350 --> 02:17:49,170
right nothing has really gone past what

2972
02:17:56,840 --> 02:17:51,360
happened in December which was the

2973
02:17:59,500 --> 02:17:56,850
videos flavor you know the gun camera

2974
02:18:01,670 --> 02:17:59,510
footage and and here we are today

2975
02:18:04,190 --> 02:18:01,680
everything that he talks about here

2976
02:18:06,770 --> 02:18:04,200
didn't happen which was the UFO

2977
02:18:08,180 --> 02:18:06,780
community more stuff everything was

2978
02:18:11,270 --> 02:18:08,190
going to trickle out over the months

2979
02:18:12,980 --> 02:18:11,280
ahead and two years later we're still in

2980
02:18:18,560 --> 02:18:12,990
the same position except for

2981
02:18:20,871 --> 02:18:18,570
unidentified yeah and and I think that

2982
02:18:23,720 --> 02:18:20,881
people are catching on to that and I and

2983
02:18:25,490 --> 02:18:23,730
I've never I've never heard that they a

2984
02:18:26,750 --> 02:18:25,500
grant Cameron I believe was the one that

2985
02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:26,760
first started talking about this

2986
02:18:30,890 --> 02:18:29,250
confirmed that T TSA wanted to quote

2987
02:18:33,140 --> 02:18:30,900
unquote divorce the UFO community

2988
02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:33,150
because I guarantee that the majority of

2989
02:18:36,890 --> 02:18:35,010
the 1.2 million that came in were from

2990
02:18:39,980 --> 02:18:36,900
people that technically are part of the

2991
02:18:41,090 --> 02:18:39,990
UFO community and I think that by him

2992
02:18:42,860 --> 02:18:41,100
reaching out to you they were

2993
02:18:44,900 --> 02:18:42,870
fundraising at that time you know

2994
02:18:47,900 --> 02:18:44,910
they're looking for investors and so to

2995
02:18:51,020 --> 02:18:47,910
give that kind of aura that hey we want

2996
02:18:54,380 --> 02:18:51,030
you were one of you were one of you was

2997
02:18:57,860 --> 02:18:54,390
was beneficial to do and I think that

2998
02:19:01,600 --> 02:18:57,870
after that promises started to fall flat

2999
02:19:04,460 --> 02:19:01,610
I believe it was sometime this year that

3000
02:19:07,880 --> 02:19:04,470
mr. Elizondo instead last year so it was

3001
02:19:10,250 --> 02:19:07,890
again he said last year one year from

3002
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:10,260
now meaning this year we're gonna have a

3003
02:19:16,910 --> 02:19:13,010
fundamentally different conversation and

3004
02:19:18,650 --> 02:19:16,920
we ironically it was about a year when

3005
02:19:21,081 --> 02:19:18,660
the Pentagon issued that statement so he

3006
02:19:23,121 --> 02:19:21,091
was kind of right but regardless what

3007
02:19:25,130 --> 02:19:23,131
what has fundamentally changed you know

3008
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:25,140
I mean the media is starting to turn

3009
02:19:31,340 --> 02:19:28,290
they just are the the the momentum on

3010
02:19:33,890 --> 02:19:31,350
UFO stories has definitely decreased

3011
02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:33,900
from that December 2017 and at the

3012
02:19:38,380 --> 02:19:35,930
beginning part of January 2018

3013
02:19:41,950 --> 02:19:38,390
we can all agree on that the TTS a

3014
02:19:45,041 --> 02:19:41,960
hoorah articles are are not really

3015
02:19:47,020 --> 02:19:45,051
around anymore the UFO articles that do

3016
02:19:49,060 --> 02:19:47,030
surface which some of them are very

3017
02:19:51,581 --> 02:19:49,070
interesting like the UFO guidelines I'm

3018
02:19:53,440 --> 02:19:51,591
curious to know a little bit more those

3019
02:19:56,350 --> 02:19:53,450
emails were very telling I think that

3020
02:19:57,671 --> 02:19:56,360
that was largely embellished but but

3021
02:20:00,791 --> 02:19:57,681
that being said there are certain things

3022
02:20:01,360 --> 02:20:00,801
that are happening but is TTS a to thank

3023
02:20:03,520 --> 02:20:01,370
for that

3024
02:20:05,860 --> 02:20:03,530
or is the media largely painting that

3025
02:20:08,081 --> 02:20:05,870
picture because again the UFO guidelines

3026
02:20:09,581 --> 02:20:08,091
and all that stuff the Navy went on the

3027
02:20:13,530 --> 02:20:09,591
record to say that was a reissue

3028
02:20:15,970 --> 02:20:13,540
slightly edited the reissue of a 2015

3029
02:20:17,770 --> 02:20:15,980
guideline that was published after the

3030
02:20:19,091 --> 02:20:17,780
Roosevelt by the way I did try and get

3031
02:20:20,410 --> 02:20:19,101
those they are considered classified

3032
02:20:24,881 --> 02:20:20,420
they won't get who they won't give him

3033
02:20:27,360 --> 02:20:24,891
to me so that being said what like how

3034
02:20:30,011 --> 02:20:27,370
what what role did tts a play in 2015

3035
02:20:31,930 --> 02:20:30,021
none so did they play a role in the

3036
02:20:34,051 --> 02:20:31,940
reissue of it well the only evidence we

3037
02:20:38,740 --> 02:20:34,061
have of it is T TSA taking credit for it

3038
02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:38,750
so that doesn't make sense I've only got

3039
02:20:43,450 --> 02:20:41,690
30 seconds left John and I want to thank

3040
02:20:46,030 --> 02:20:43,460
you in advance for coming out tonight

3041
02:20:48,940 --> 02:20:46,040
thank you so much sure did a Lozano take

3042
02:20:51,341 --> 02:20:48,950
part in the briefing of the Senate

3043
02:20:53,110 --> 02:20:51,351
I don't as an answer to that I do not

3044
02:20:54,850 --> 02:20:53,120
believe so but I don't have a definitive

3045
02:20:56,980 --> 02:20:54,860
answer yeah I want to find that out to

3046
02:20:58,360 --> 02:20:56,990
somebody out there fate or nots find out

3047
02:21:00,910 --> 02:20:58,370
about that I want to know who actually

3048
02:21:03,450 --> 02:21:00,920
did the briefings there you go John

3049
02:21:06,520 --> 02:21:03,460
thank you so much go back to your family

3050
02:21:08,801 --> 02:21:06,530
just for taking the time tonight and

3051
02:21:10,450 --> 02:21:08,811
enjoy the rest of your evening and we'll

3052
02:21:12,251 --> 02:21:10,460
talk first thing tomorrow thank you so

3053
02:21:14,160 --> 02:21:12,261
much I appreciate it thanks for the time

3054
02:21:18,310 --> 02:21:14,170
you're the best thank you John

3055
02:21:20,140 --> 02:21:18,320
it's the black vault comm that's all you

3056
02:21:24,610 --> 02:21:20,150
got to do the black vault it's right

3057
02:21:26,350 --> 02:21:24,620
there and I do have the IFL science link

3058
02:21:27,881 --> 02:21:26,360
I'm gonna put that up right after the

3059
02:21:28,751 --> 02:21:27,891
show tonight get it up there and Twitter

3060
02:21:30,791 --> 02:21:28,761
for all of you

3061
02:21:34,470 --> 02:21:30,801
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02:21:37,871 --> 02:21:34,480
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3078
02:22:12,679 --> 02:22:08,939
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3079
02:22:15,550 --> 02:22:12,689
to miss that until tomorrow night I want

3080
02:22:24,920 --> 02:22:15,560
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